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How Great Was Gary Carter?

It took Gary Carter six years to get into the Hall of Fame. Was he a borderline candidate, or did the voters just take a while to recognize his greatness?

Feb 17, 2012 - When I (co-)wrote my first book in 1999, I was indignant.

Okay, so I'm indignant all the time. Specifically, at that moment, I was indignant about Gary Carter. At that point he'd made two appearances on the BBWAA's Hall of Fame ballot. The first time, he garnered 42 percent support; the second time, he fell to 33 percent.

That's right, sports fans: There was at least one moment in history when exactly one-third of the electorate believed that Gary Carter belonged in the Hall of Fame.

Seems preposterous now, doesn't it? Apparently it seemed preposterous to a huge percentage of the 67 percent who didn't vote for Carter in 1999, because just four years later he was elected by 78 percent of the electorate. All's well that ends well, and usually the BBWAA does eventually get it right. Eventually.

But this isn't a day for quibbling. While I think most observers now believe that Gary Carter deserves his spot in the Hall of Fame, it's worth asking where he ranks among the Hall of Fame catchers. And it's trickier with catchers than with players at other positions, because we're just now beginning to get a handle on catchers' defensive contributions, thanks to tracking and technology that didn't exist when Carter played. We track baserunning more closely now, too, which hurts catchers because they're slow. But it doesn't hurt Carter because we just weren't paying close enough attention.

Looking at Wins Above Replacement, FanGraphs has Carter fourth all-time among catchers with 72.5 WAR, wedged tightly between Ivan Rodriguez and Yogi Berra; Baseball-Reference.com has him fourth with 66.3, firmly between Carlton Fisk and Yogi Berra.

That's right: Perhaps more than I've seen before, the two Win Shares methods agree almost exactly, placing Gary Carter -- who, not to beat a dead horse or anything, took six years to get into the Hall of Fame -- fourth all-time among MLB catchers.

Was Gary Carter really better than Yogi Berra? Seems a bit far-fetched. In his Historical Baseball Abstract, Bill James ranked Berra No. 1 and Carter eighth. Berra won three Most Valuable Player Awards; Carter won zero MVPs, and finished in the top five in voting just twice.

Well, everything depends upon weighting. Berra started 1,641 games behind the plate; Carter, despite playing some outfield in his first two seasons in the majors, started 1,954 games as a catcher. His total of 2,056 appearances as a catcher ranks fourth all-time.

But it's more than that. We know something about the defensive contributions of 20th-century catchers, and Gary Carter scores really well. According to FanGraphs, Ivan Rodriguez has the best numbers in major-league history, thanks to his incredible ability to shut down the running game. But the next three guys are 1970s/80s contemporaries Jim Sundberg, Gary Carter and Bob Boone ... and Carter hit better than those other two put together. In his Win Shares book, Bill James gave Carter an A for his defense. He won three Gold Gloves and might have deserved a few more.

Berra, on the other hand, simply didn't have many chances to showcase his defense, or at least not his ability to control the running game, because teams simply didn't run during the great majority of Berra's career. In 1955, when Yogi won his third MVP Award, the White Sox led the American League with 69 steals; meanwhile, the Kansas City Athletics stole 22 bases the whole season.

Most long-time catchers are good fielders. A few long-time catchers are good hitters. Very, very few long-time catchers have been good in both areas. I'm not prepared to argue that Carter was better than Yogi Berra. But Gary Carter was a good hitter and arguably a great fielder, which is what made him one of the 10 greatest catchers who's ever played the game, if not one of the five or six best.

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Rob Neyer

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Carter played in the immediate shadow of Bench's greatness...

…and in Montreal during his best years. Inevitably, the two factors combined to influence the media of the day to not completely appreciate what they were seeing. The situation is quite comparable to Tim Raines in relation to Rickey Henderson. Carter was clearly one of the best catchers of all-time; he just wasn’t Bench.

by Tim E. Space on Feb 17, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Good roundup, Rob

Like a lot of underappreciated hitters, Carter played his entire career in terrible hitters parks (Olympic Stadium and Shea, with short stints at Candlestick and Dodger Stadium). I think it’s likely that Bench was genuinely a better hitter than Carter, but put Bench in Montreal and Carter in Riverfront, and Carter might have been the one leading the league in HRs.

But the question of who was “really” the best or 4th-best catcher also involves the question of whether you’re asking about peak or career-long value. Bill James does a good job of addressing that question in the Historical Abstract. In Carter’s case, his best year, 1982, wasn’t quite as good as Bench’s (1972) or Piazza’s (1997), but it was better than Yogi’s top season (1956). (This is going by baseball-references WAR calculations). And from the 1975 to 1985 seasons, Carter averaged 143 games a season and 5.3 WAR. He just cranked out 5 or 6 WAR seasons over and over again, playing tons of games. It’s incredibly valuable for a team to have a catcher who can stay that healthy and that consistent for so long (look at the problems the Twins are having now keeping Mauer healthy).

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Feb 17, 2012 9:56 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

"Eventually."

If Gary was on the ballot in 1998, technically he could still be on it, waiting for the call. He’d be dead, of course, and have no way of knowing he was a Hall of Famer once the BBWAA got done waiting for “wisdom.”

Unless my math is wrong. It could be wrong.

My point, however, is not.

by bucdaddy on Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

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