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Feb 14, 2012 - You know, Sandy Alderson's a tough smart cookie and we've all been enjoying his surprisingly funny tweets. And without Sandy Alderson there would be no Billy Beane, and without Billy Beane there would be no Brad Pitt, and without Brad Pitt there would be no Moneyball: The Movie, and without Moneyball: The Movie I wouldn't be able to impress young women who liked Moneyball: The Movie.
Me: Did you see Moneyball?
YW: Yes! It was so good!
Me: You know that guy Bill James they kept mentioning?
YW: Yes! Handsome fella!
Me: Pretty much that was actually me.
YW: Really?
Me: Yes!
So, to Sandy Alderson I say thank you, sir.
Still, I simply cannot allow this to stand:
Alderson: "Our rotation is pretty solid - Santana, if healthy, Pelfrey, Niese, Dickey and Gee."
— New York Mets (@Mets) February 14, 2012
Perhaps I'm reading reading too much into this, but can one avoid the conclusion that Alderson considers R.A. Dickey the Mets' fourth-best starter?
He's not. Not by my lights, anyway. I know I'm not objective when it comes to knuckleballers, so let's check the numbers over the last two years, minimum 150 innings:
ERA
1. Johan Santana (2.98)
2 - R.A. Dickey (3.08)
3 - Dillon Gee (4.04)
Innings
1 - Mike Pelfrey (397)
2 - R.A. Dickey (383)
3 - J.J. Niese (331)
Strikeouts/Walks
1 - J.J. Niese (2.70)
2 - Johan Santana (2.62)
3 - R.A. Dickey (2.48)
Home Runs / 9 Innings
1 - Johan Santana (0.72)
2 - R.A. Dickey (0.73)
3 - Mike Pelfrey (0.75)
Those are the four big ones, right? If you score each of the five rotation mates, Santana just edges Dickey for first place. And considering the questions about Santana's shoulder, I think there's a perfectly reasonable argument (see above) that Robert Alan Dickey is, at this moment, the New York Mets' best starting pitcher.
Oh, and he's consistent. Lest you think he's riding on the tails of his out-of-nowhere 2010 campaign. In both 2010 and '11, Dickey posted a 2.48 strikeout-to-walk ratio. He gave up 0.7 home runs per nine innings in 2010, 0.8 in 2011. Yes, we all "know" that knuckleball pitchers are inconsistent and perhaps they are. More than your conventional pitchers, though? I'm not yet convinced. Phil Niekro was pretty consistent.
I'd rank them like this: Santana (if healthy), Dickey, Niese, Pelfrey and Gee. And until Sandy Alderson issues a correction or retraction, I'm boycotting his Twitter feed. I don't care how many grins it costs me. Sometimes one must stand on principle.
Read More: Johan Santana (P - NYM), Mike Pelfrey (P - NYM), R.A. Dickey (P - NYM), Dillon Gee (P - NYM), New York Mets
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Honestly, does it really matter where he ranked them?
It was, presumably, a response to a question asked by a reporter. Maybe he just said names as they came to him?
by Sam Godford on Feb 14, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
HR/9
Why is Santana ranked ahead of Dickey in HR/9 when Dickey’s HR/9 of 0.72 is lower than Santana’s 0.73?
by GBSimons on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST reply actions
hmm
you are.
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by rexthejet on Feb 14, 2012 6:20 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
THis
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
Fact on Villanova Sports
by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 14, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
J.J. Niese is the Mets ace right now
Dicky is too old and the hitters can see the pitches real well so we should trade him to the Yankees. J.J. Niese will be the Mets number three starter behind Matt Harvery and I think Roy Marriott can be a good loogy.
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-Wes Westrum
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by piazza62 on Feb 14, 2012 8:17 PM EST reply actions
........
I’m confused.
Chamption of the R.A. Dickey Face contest and "Cromulent Photoshopper Extraordinaire" of Amazin' Avenue!
You might know me as mistermet.
by Steve Schreiber on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
You know, they see the ball real well
Just like an elderly man on a back country road in the middle of Kansas, sitting at an intersection and studying a road map through his bifocals. The speed limit might only be 45 mph and his choices are clear as a bell, left, right or straight, but he’s still confused as to which way he’s supposed to go.
by Kermit. on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Plus! you know those Yankees, they'll take anyone.
by msb on Feb 14, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agreeYogi on the 1969 NY Mets....." overwhelming underdogs "
"The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails." —William Arthur Ward
by SuperSantana on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Mr. Neyer, how are you Bill James?
I don’t get it.
Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle
by 5thStarter on Feb 15, 2012 12:38 AM EST reply actions
Don't get me wrong, if it works, keep gettin' yours...I just don't get the joke.
Winning doesn't matter. –Lyle
by 5thStarter on Feb 15, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Neyer was James chief research assistant for years.
Did you ever see the second National Treasure movie, in which Riley had written a book about “his” discovery of the Templar treasure? This joke is in the same vein.
by Gabriel E on Feb 15, 2012 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pitching rotation spots dont matter.
Number ones only meet up the first few times during the season with days off not matching up by the third series teams are off. I have always wondered why a team doesn’t try to line thier rotation up so that the 1 is facing the 2 or 3 or even backwards to get more sure wins. Maybe work the starting matchups more. I know pitchers need to work every five days. But really unless you are the 2003 Mariners the rotation is going to get screwed up at some point.
by ronb78 on Feb 15, 2012 2:26 AM EST reply actions
Weirdly late nitpick
But this wasn’t from Alderson’s Twitter feed. It was the from the official Mets Twitter feed quoting Alderson. So his actions on Twitter are still above reproach.
Seriously, though, if it was a quote of something he SAID, then the order might not be indicative of anything. He may have been just saying all their names without putting any thought into the order that he said them.
by HughHansen on Feb 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions
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