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Juan Pierre Could Set A Major League Record In 2012

You wouldn't think Juan Pierre could be headed to an all-time record. But if he gets enough playing time for the Phillies this year, he might do just that.

Feb 11, 2012 - After Lou Brock and Rickey Henderson shattered stolen-base records in the 1970s and 1980s, the career active leaders in that category started sliding down the all-time list. With the retirement of Kenny Lofton after 2007, the active leader is now Juan Pierre with 554 -- but that ranks just 26th all-time. (And he leads active players by a lot -- next on that list is Carl Crawford with 427, 59th all-time.)

In 2011, Pierre quietly tied a major league record. He led the majors in caught stealing with 17 (in only 44 attempts, a poor 61 stolen-base percentage). It was the seventh time he had led his league in caught stealing; only Brock and Maury Wills did that as many times (and both Brock and Wills tied for the league lead once; Pierre has "won" solo CS titles all seven times).

There's an old saying that goes, sometimes ironically: "You have to be good to do that." Pierre has also led his league in steals three times, and his career stolen-base percentage. 74.4, is good, though not outstanding (Henderson, who holds the career records for both steals and caughts, had an 80.8 career percentage).

Pierre might be relegated to part-time status this year; all he's got right now is a minor-league deal with a spring-training invitation from the Phillies. But as Grant Brisbee wrote when this signing was announced, Pierre has an ability that might tempt an old-school manager like Charlie Manuel:

But over there on the end of the bench is Juan Pierre. Speedy little fellow. Hits 'em where they ain't. He's a real sparkplug who can get things going and distract the opposing pitcher. I'm not going to say that's how all managers think. But a couple of them do, at least. And a GM who puts Pierre in the hands of such a manager is an enabler.

Juan Pierre is now 34 years old. Speed is pretty much his only tool; he's never had any power (career .363 slugging) and he can't throw at all. (No, seriously. Have you seen him throw?)

But he's been given more than 700 plate appearances in each of the last two seasons. The year before that, when Manny Ramirez went out with one of his myriad of recent suspensions, Pierre was installed in left field for the Dodgers and hit .318/.381/.411 in the 50 games Man-Ram missed ... and with only seven caught in 28 attempts.

So will Charlie Manuel give in to the "speedy leadoff guy" enticement and let Pierre beat out someone like Laynce Nix for playing time? If he does, Pierre might just wind up with enough stolen-base attempts, and caught stealings, to lead his league in caught stealing for the eighth time and have that record all to himself.

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Al Yellon is a Cubs fan. For that, he hopes you will indulge him. He's seen Cubs failures since 1969, including the agonizingly close playoff misses in 1984 and 2003. For that, at least a bit of... Read full bio


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by bucdaddy on Feb 11, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

Juan Pierre did not lead the NL in CS last year.

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by U-God on Feb 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

He led all MLB

Yellon just forgot what league he played in, who can keep up?

by Jason Zak on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen a couple different values.

Total Baseball uses (.3 runs/SB) – (.6 runs/CS). I could be wrong, but I think Bill James uses .2 runs/SB and -(.3 runs/CS).

by PriceJD on Feb 11, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like this article.

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by McBluejays on Feb 11, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

It probably doesn’t like you either.

by Rujasu on Feb 11, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The only way Pierre is the Phils regular leadoff guy is if both Jimmy Rollins and Shane Victorino are on the DL.

by Phrozen on Feb 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

Careful what you wish for…….

by cypruss99 on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn’t say it wouldn’t or couldn’t happen.

by Phrozen on Feb 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Outs made and times on base

Among active players…..23rd in Outs made, 31st in times on base.

All time…..290th in out mades…(tied with Jimmy Rollins, one behind Ichirol…..symetry..ha)

347 th times on base.

The worst major leaguer is better at baseball than I'll ever be at anything I ever do in my life.

by shoewizard on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 AM EST reply actions  

Al, I really like to read your work. I have to say this is not one of your finest. Clearly we got the idea what record he may be about to reach but it took us 461 words to get us to the sentence – “Pierre might just wind up with enough stolen-base attempts, and caught stealings, to lead his league in caught stealing for the eighth time and have that record all to himself.”

This would have been a lot more enjoyable to read what record you are talking about early on instead of having the reader assume it is caught stealing.

Keep up the good work overall. Just not up to your usual high quality work today.

by RoyalsMan77 on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

I always appreciate constructive criticism.

But I did clearly mention that Pierre had tied the record, in the second paragraph:

In 2011, Pierre quietly tied a major league record. He led the majors in caught stealing with 17 (in only 44 attempts, a poor 61 stolen-base percentage). It was the seventh time he had led his league in caught stealing; only Brock and Maury Wills did that as many times (and both Brock and Wills tied for the league lead once; Pierre has “won” solo CS titles all seven times).

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by Al Yellon on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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