Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Preakness 2012: I'll Have Another Wins Again

SB Nation 2011-2012 MLB Free Agents

What Do The Orioles Want With Prince Fielder?

The Baltimore Orioles might be interested in Prince Fielder. Does this make any sense to anyone?

Jan 23, 2012 - I'd like to picture Scott Boras in a room with the shutters drawn, staring at an old rotary phone. Just staring. Projecting his dark energy into the phone, down into the wires, and out into the world. Maybe he focuses on a specific name; maybe the energy just knows where to go.

And while Dan Duquette or Peter Angelos are sitting down for breakfast, they suddenly spit out their scone and say aloud, "By Jove, why aren't we in on this Prince Fielder action?" The hardest part for Boras is acting surprised when he gets the phone call.

That's not how it happens, though. If the Orioles really are interested in Prince Fielder, it's a strategy that's been debated and discussed, reviewed and ruminated on. Of course, this is the Orioles we're talking about, so that doesn't mean that the right decision will be reached, but it's not like Angelos had a a vision that Fielder came unto them on a flaming pie and then ordered the Orioles to pursue the slugger suddenly.

Which brings us to the question posed in the headline: What in the heck do the Orioles want with Prince Fielder?

The answer, and I'm just spitballing here: Probably to get better. Wait, wait. Hear me out.

Fielder takes a lot of guff for being shaped like something out of the Disney Alice in Wonderland cartoon, and it's a legitimate concern. He's … fluffy, to put it diplomatically. There should be concerns over his durability. It's hard to imagine a 40-year-old Fielder scampering out to first base, fit as a fiddle.

But there's a difference between a "legitimate concern" and something that should completely obscure Prince Fielder's long-term potential. He's still just 27 -- because he had immediate success as a young major leaguer, it's easy to forget just how young he is. If Fielder gets a seven-year deal, he'd be 34 by the end of it. When is he supposed to turn into a fiery mess of bone, cartilage, and blubber? When he's 30? 31? 32? Even Mo Vaughn made it to 32, and he didn't necessarily crumble because of his girth -- a rogue dugout was the culprit there.

It's completely reasonable to think that Fielder is the kind of free agent that is good for any team. Win now? Of course Fielder helps. He'd help every team. Win later? The ultimate example of a rags-to-riches team are the 2006 Tigers, who made the World Series three years after losing 119 games -- that's 26 games worse than the 2011 Orioles.

Using the '03 Tigers as a yardstick, it's fair to think that any time, anywhere, no matter how bereft they are of talent and direction, can get from worst to first in a three- or four-year stretch. In three or four years, Fielder should still be very, very good. He could collapse. He could go the way of Adam Dunn for whatever reason. But that's not exceptionally likely. He should be Prince Fielder for a while yet.

And Fielder would represent the Orioles getting better. Substantially better. Fielder by himself isn't going to bring the Orioles over .500, even, but he'd be a substantial upgrade to the roster. He'd be one more piece. Matt Wieters or Adam Jones getting substantially better; Manny Machado erupting on the scene; some of the previously exciting young pitchers reaching their potential -- all of these things can add up to an interesting Orioles team that would have the luxury of Fielder already being around to help. In the meantime, he'd be a gate attraction -- something that would sell tickets, if not jeans.

This isn't to say that the Orioles are a team on the rise, that their future is bright, gotta wear shades, look out world. The counter-argument is just obvious: The Baltimore Orioles. Not going to compete with that one. But the same argument could have been made for the Tigers for most of the '90s and early '00s. And when they signed Magglio Ordonez to a huge deal, a lot of folks asked the same question: why? Why would the Tigers -- a 90-loss team in their good years -- get a win-now player in his 30s? Seemed like a waste of money. Then prospects developed, more productive veterans came on board, and the Tigers weren't the Tigers anymore.

That could happen to the Orioles. I mean, it could. Technically. They still have that minor issue of playing in the same division as the two richest teams in the game and two of the smartest, whereas the Tigers left the AL East at just about the perfect time.

But don't think that it would be totally insane for the Orioles to pursue Fielder. The Orioles are bad because they don't have enough good players. They should acquire more good players. This Fielder fella is a good player, and he should be for a few years yet. The Orioles acquiring Fielder would fit with that whole "acquire good players" strategy.

See? This baseball stuff is easy.

Do you like this post?

Grant_brisbee_medium

Grant Brisbee

Editor

Grant Brisbee has been the lead writer for McCovey Chronicles since 2005, when the San Francisco Giants-themed site became the second blog on the SB Nation network. He graduated from San Jose State... Read full bio


Comments

Display:

That

would not be a good idea for Fielder. If he has any want or desire to win in the next ten years, he needs to go to a team that is already at least half way to decent.

isitspringtrainingyet.com

by imstillhungry95 on Jan 23, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Another minor issue

An owner from the Jerry Jones school of owners

by msgg139 on Jan 23, 2012 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Angelos has spent, but did not spend it very well or unlucky or both

For example Albert “Don’t call me Joey, Woah” Belle.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jan 23, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

This is just wrong

The O’s have signed lots of big money free agents under Angelos – Belle, Tejada, Palmeiro, Javy Lopez, etc.

I am eating you, motherfucker. You cannot hurt me. - PhilR8

by O'sFan21 on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

According to WAR though

Sometimes Prince is pretty average.

Couldn’t this substantial variance in his WAR be part of the problem in his signability.

Compare with Pujols who has been on the north side of 5 WAR his entire career.

by aronofsky40 on Jan 23, 2012 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Inflate the Fielder?

Scott Boras does everything he can to inflate the contract of anyone in his stable. The mega contract has not come forth for the Prince. Baltimore has not been a player in anything since Albert Belle. Fielder was a back-up in-case Darvish didn’t materialize for Texas. The Nationals as everyone knows are not a top tier spender or location for someone like the Prince. But then again is the Prince a top tier player for anyone to give more than four years to? The answer by most baseball people is No! The problem with Boras and the news that Jesus is coming to town can sometimes fool a couple of GM’s and thats what Scotty boy is hoping for.

Who is reporting from Baltimore on the Prince? Jim Duquette right? Isn’t Jim the brother of the current GM Dan Duquette? Yes he is. Jim reporting that Baltimore maybe in the mix does two things. One, Baltimore gets a second look from two tier and three tier players that still refuse to sign with the organization. Two, maybe more important then the first is that Baltimore Orioles are being mentioned with whats positive and good in baseball. Shocker for me if Baltimore is mentioned again with the likes of Prince Fielder.

by BoSox2012 on Jan 23, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

You are right - Boras is just using them to play another team into paying more.

He always does this. Without a serious bidding war he is S.O.L.

I’m not sure why after Pujols fell through the Marlins just didn’t sign him.

by Billy Frijoles on Jan 23, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Marlins, Pujols

Pujols was the primer to tell the league that the Marlins were open for business. Not to actually sign him was the key to get others to take a second look. The Marlins actually got three free agents for the less of a price than Pujols would have costed. The Marlins today with those three free agents are better team than if they only had signed Pujols You are dead on about the bidding war. If Boras panicks you’ll see more teams mentioned that are interested when that won’t be the case at all. The genius in Boras is those teams mentioned won’t deny because it makes there fanbase feel their team is trying to do something better for the team. It’s called a back loaded PR donation from a sports agent. Sometimes it gets discussed before someone (agent) even floats it out to the press.

by BoSox2012 on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm...

The Nationals as everyone knows are not a top tier spender

Jayson Werth says hi.

Founder and Chairman of the Send Dan Some Pizzeria Bianco Commission (SDSPBC). SDSPBC is a totally, definitely for-profit organization.

by Dan Strittmatter on Jan 23, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Check your facts.
Baltimore has not been a player in anything since Albert Belle.

See: Tejada, Miguel; Lopez, Javy.

Reports vary, but it seems that they were in on Texiera. They made a substantial offer to Victor Martinez. What qualifies a team as being “a player”?

Isn’t Jim the brother of the current GM Dan Duquette? Yes he is.

Nope. They are cousins, though.

by SeanP on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i don't think

there is any serious chance that fielder becomes a oriole. realy, i’d be shocked. i’ve always liked the orioles, but the highest bid for him couldn’t be that low that the orioles are still in. i only see this as a boras move. usualy boras just says multiple team are interested. it’s getting late, and fielder is still free. so i think he took it to the next level: the orioles, the baltimore orioles are interested ih him. if this isn’t getting any team with a decent amount of money calling boras to find out exactly how much was bidded, i’d be shocked. maybe there interested, thats nice, the mets were also interested with reyes this year. they just have no money, so they couldn’t get him

"it's not easy being green"-kermit the frog
"we the mets are an improved ball club, now we lose in extra innings"-casy stengel
i cant spell a nosebleed
The Official Seinfeld Gif-Man of GGN!!!!!!!!
i'm a moderator for GGN. I will accept tribute.

by rexthejet on Jan 23, 2012 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

prince would be an idiot to sign with baltimore

they’re going nowhere fast, and his talent would be a (no pun intended) massive waste there

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

Unless he only cares about

chasing every last dollar, and they are the top bidder.

by aronofsky40 on Jan 23, 2012 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Idiot or not?

Prince will sign for the most money no matter who the team is. The team will overpay too. Something tells me it’s going to be an American league team because of his probable move to DH. No team will give the years without the DH as a insurance policy.

by BoSox2012 on Jan 23, 2012 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

just like Magglio Ordonez was an idiot to sign with Detroit....

….until he played in a World Series with them two years later.

The Orioles are not one or two years away from a World Series, but if they play their cards right, they can certainly be a winning team—and then some—well before the end of Fielder’s contract.

Dod you even read the article above?

"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino

by zknower on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you even read this?

Seriously. It says it loud and clear in the article. Fielder is a good player. And will be for a few years to come. And the Orioles are bad because they don’t have many “good players”.

Signing him to 6 years will give them pleanty of time to have him in his still productive years and develop Matusz, Arrieta, and Britton into full MLB starters and then get Machado, Schoop, the Bundy Brothers and Stein in the bullpen.

If they sign Fielder and 4 years from now the O’s roster looks like the following, and the MLB moves to a 2 wild card format, the O’s will definitely by vying for one.

2015 or 2016
Rotation: Dylan Bundy, Brian Matusz, Zach Britton, Bobby Bundy, Jake Arrieta
IF: 1B Fielder, 2B Schoop, 3B Hardy/Esposito, SS Machado

Add Adam Jones and Matt Wieters and you have a very high potential team. Thats what signing Fielder does.

Plus he will jack mad hanging curveballs into the Flagcourt.

by Jokes & Burns on Jan 24, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And that doesn't...

even take into account any future free agents they might sign or any trades they may make.

by Jokes & Burns on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think signing him is a great idea

What are we missing? Well, alot, but mainly that BIG BAT in the middle of the lineup. We haven’t had it for years. People seem to forget how much better everyone else becomes when you have that guy in the lineup. Now, Markakis and Jones get more pitches to hit. More walks. More baserunners. More everything. Back the truck up, sign the guy, and then we can work with Jones, Markakis, Wieters, Fielder, Machado and Pitchers Britton, Arietta, and Matusz (plus the Bundy kid) for the next 5-6 years. You are telling me that team can’t contend if you add more pieces in over the next few years? Well, maybe they can, maybe not, but I sure like the chances a hell of a lot better than doing nothing.

by Bhuff on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed

54 updates with 330 comments

Like to see major updates on this story in Facebook.
Yahoo_full_count Yahoo_fantasy_baseball

Photo

Baseball On Par With Other Professional Sports In Dealing With Bad Umpires

WASHINGTON, DC - MAY 20:  Stephen Strasburg #37 of the Washington Nationals celebrates with teammates after hitting his first career home run in the fourth inning against the Baltimore Orioles during interleague play at Nationals Park on May 20, 2012 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

Stephen Strasburg Pulled Early With 'Arm Fatigue', Downplays Significance

Los Angeles, CA, USA; St. Louis Cardinals first baseman Lance Berkman is looked at by manager Mike Matheny and the team trainer after suffering an apperant injury against the Los Angeles Dodgers at Dodger Stadium.  Mandatory Credit: Gary A. Vasquez-US PRESSWIRE

Lance Berkman Placed On 15-Day DL With Right Knee Injury