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By Rob Neyer - National Baseball Editor
Maybe Prince Fielder's still looking for work because teams just can't figure out where his career's going to go from here.
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Jan 20, 2012 - Thursday, I appeared during a segment on MLB Network's Clubhouse Confidential, hosted by Brian Kenny.
Two things about Brian Kenny. One, he's fantastic at his job. Two, many years ago he became the first person who seriously entertained the idea of putting me on TV. I did a bunch of ESPNews spots when he was hosting The Hot List -- even though I was terrible when I started and got only marginally better over the years -- but that sort of petered out after Brian returned to SportsCenter. I did more spots, but they weren't nearly as much fun for me and without the hosts' enthusiasm, nobody in Bristol was really pushing to have me on any of their shows.
So my TV "career" ended, I thought. Which was slightly discouraging, but I felt lucky to have been given a chance at all. And didn't think I'd ever get another.
Except a few months ago, Brian Kenny left ESPN for MLB Network, got his own show, and gave me another shot.*
* And not just me. To Brian's GREAT credit, his guest analysts have included Joe Sheehan, Jay Jaffe, Dave Cameron, Sean Forman, Vince Gennaro, and I'm sure a few other of my compatriots.
I digress. I just wanted to establish that Brian Kenny is one of my favorite people, and why.
Thursday's segment was largely about Yu Darvish, but then Brian threw me a curveball: Would you rather spend your money on Darvish, or Prince Fielder?
Which is a tricky question. Because, as I said to Brian, both players are incredibly difficult to project over six (or more) years.
Darvish is (obviously) a young pitcher who's not thrown a single inning of Major League Baseball. What's more, there aren't anything like enough comparable pitchers for meaningful comparisons (granted, I gave it a shot).
Meanwhile, Prince Fielder ... I described Fielder as (approximately) "unique in the history of baseball", to which Brian responded (approximately), "How so?"
Rob: "Have you seen him?"
Brian: "Sure I've seen him. But what do you mean?"
Rob: "He's short and he's fat!"
See, that's the sort of incisive analysis that Baseball Tonight missed out on for all those years.
Anyway, as soon as the word fat escaped my big mouth, I regretted it. Sure, I'm taller than Fielder and he's got more than a hundred pounds on me. But who am, to be calling anyone fat? On national television, no less.
Prince Fielder, if you're reading this ... I am sorry. Honestly. I have nothing but respect for your accomplishments, and I know you can't help being relatively short with a tendency to carry the avoirdupois.
For the rest of you, though, my point was this: There's never been another player like Prince Fielder.
He's listed at 5'11" and 275 pounds. You know he's not taller than 5'11" -- if a player's listed at 5'11" he's either 5'11" or an inch or two shorter -- and 275 ... well, I suppose it's possible. Again, it's not likely that Fielder weighs less than 275 pounds; if he did, his listed weight would be revised because nobody (except football players) wants to be 275.
Would you care to guess how many major-league players have stood less than six feet tall and weighed at least 275 pounds?
One: Prince Semien Fielder.
How many major-league players have stood less than six feet tall and weighed (or rather, been listed at) more than 250 pounds?
Five. Fielder, plus pitcher Bartolo Colon, Garland Buckeye, Rich "El Guapo" Garces, and first baseman Tommy Everidge, who got into 24 games with the A's in 2009.
The pitchers don't tell us anything about Fielder's future, nor does Everidge.
My personal opinion is that Prince Fielder's height and Prince Fielder's weight go a long way toward explaining why he's still a free agent. I suspect that Scott Boras's lovely encyclopedia of Prince Fielder trivia is loaded with numbers that make Fielder look like a future Hall of Famer, both durable and powerful. But I suspect the numbers 5'11" and 275 don't appear anywhere in the encyclopedia, and that absence is glaring to its front-office readers.
If you're a general manager, don't you have to be wondering how much Prince Fielder really weighs? And how much he'll weigh in 2017? And if there's a limit to how much a 5'11" player can weigh, and still play 150 games at first base every season?
When you spend upwards of $120 million, you want to have some sort of historical guide. And ideally something not issued by the Boras Publishing House.
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What I don't get...
…about Prince’s weight is that he’s a strict vegetarian. How is he not slimming down at all? Is it pizza and pasta he’s eating? I’ve always equated vegetarianism with healthy eating, but Prince seem to defy that logic.
I think his weight would have to be very much a concern to any club looking to lock him up long term. He’s stayed off the DL so far, but when does the short/squat frame break down?
@OneJay76
by NumberSeven on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Vegetarians being healthy eaters just because they’re vegetarian is a massive misconception.
I also read an article not too long ago where the owner of a BBQ place was quoted as saying Price visited and ate quite a bit of meat.
by MichaelGGBGrabow on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
i think i recall
him saying he gave up on that because it was too difficult considering the working environment and especially road trips.
by gator32301 on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
well...
so much for that.
Eat away, young Prince.
@OneJay76
by NumberSeven on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I have been an athlete
and I am a vegetarian. It can be very very hard when one travels.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 22, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I am a vegetarian
and I have been for going on 20 years. I have had stretches when I have eaten healthy and I have had stretches when I haven’t. Healthy eating is more common with vegetarians but not one in the same. I think that more vegetarians eat healthy than does the general population because they are more conscious about what they put in their bodies but there are certainly some that don’t.
I have known fat vegetarians, skinny vegetarians, muscular vegetarians, and everything in between.
Also, I think that I saw the same article that michaelggbgrabow saw. A BBQ place in st. lous named a plate after prince, or something. What I have heard is that Prince was a vegetarian for one off season a few years ago.
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 22, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, stopping to think about it
all the really big guys I came up with in MLB history were well over 6’; John Kruk was 5’10", but was actually listed at 204 — which, yeah, is pretty dubious, but I don’t think there’s any reason to believe he was over 250, let alone 275
"Baseball isn't the world's best distraction, but only because it's so easy to start a fire." --Jeff Sullivan
by The Ancient Mariner on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions
On body types...
Rob, I have a cousin with a similar body type to Prince (we’ll go with 6’3" and 315 lbs as his adult playing weight). As a kid (Little League, Babe Ruth, etc) and an adult (beer league softball), he was always one of the best athletes on the field. If you wanted to see him go first to third on a single, forget it. But his range, quickness, agility, reaction times etc were phenomenal. I’ve never seen anyone play a better 1B or 3B at that level. And yeah, the boy could smoke the ball.
Obviously, that’s not even close to playing at a professional level. That’s the first place the analogy breaks down. The second problem with the analogy is that it’s the only comp I can find for Prince – a beer league softball star. Not exactly comforting to a GM or whoever controls a checkbook.
by dcarcher on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
The comp may not be that bad..
Can you tell us how long he played or has been playing? Starting to slow down? Hospital with coronary?
by Mirror on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Another explanation
I agree it makes sense that Fielder’s body type might give some teams pause, but isn’t it possible that the biggest reason he is still a free agent is simply the way the market shaped up? No Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Dodgers or Mets interested for various reasons. The Cubs aren’t in the best place to sign him either. The Angels went with Pujols. That doesn’t leave many teams with the means and motive to sign Prince.
Perhaps a few teams have been scared off by the height/weight issue but that seems like more of a secondary cause. If this were a different offseason, I have a feeling the bidding would be much more intense.
by HitTheCutoff on Jan 20, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Very much agree
by aronofsky40 on Jan 20, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good reason also.
I agree with the market. I think that prince at this point should sign a one year deal and then try again next year…
Slegna must die!
by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 22, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
dmitri young
is listed 6’2", 295, but always has seemed to be to be a comp
by jordan1999 on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 PM EST reply actions
and I just noticed his nickname is
“Da Meat Hook”. Awesome- as good as Fly Eli and Tony Plush
by jordan1999 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
My next order of business
Adding Clubhouse Confidential to season pass on the DVR
by thedozen on Jan 20, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions
Don't forget Papa
Isn’t the most obvious comparison Cecil Fielder? It is said that biology is destiny, and there are very strong genetic predispositions that manifest most obviously. While Prince is even fatter than Cecil was in his playing days, Cecil does provide a valuable model for Prince’s physical future.
by Jorio on Jan 20, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Not really...
…if they are different body types. Cecil went 6’3" – 230
- give or take. That is a wildly different frame than Prince, so I don’t see how the comparison worksgenetic predisposition or not.@OneJay76
by NumberSeven on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
not sure why it struck those words out — i didn’t select them to be…
@OneJay76
by NumberSeven on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
Yes, Cecil was 4" taller, but he wasn’t 230 since returning from Japan. Take a look at pictures, especially by the time he joined the Yankees – 280? Higher? Dude was enormous. He was also a solid if unspectacular player ages 28-32 before falling off the cliff at 33. So that could certainly inform a decision reagrding Prince.
by Jorio on Jan 20, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's not like he's gotten fatter
It’d be one thing if Prince Fielder had gotten to the show a lean-mean HR-hitting machine and had gotten progressively fatter.
He’s always been this fat. And, for the most part, he’s always been this good.
And boy, has he been durable. In 6 years, he’s missed 12 games. TOTAL. No one in baseball has played more games in the last 6 years than Prince Fielder.
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by John Armbruster Bowen on Jan 23, 2012 1:48 PM EST reply actions
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