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'Fausto Carmona' Neither The First, Nor The Last

Fausto Carmona's new age and old name are going to cost him, but here's merely the latest in a long, long, long line of major leaguers who shaved off a birthday or three.

Jan 20, 2012 - Sorry about that headline, but most of us probably aren't yet accustomed to calling Fausto Carmona Roberto Hernandez Heredia. If it's okay with you, we'll stick to Fausto Carmona for at least these next few minutes.

Over at Yahoo!, Tim Brown wrote about Carmona and the recent history of players making up birthdays on their way to professional baseball contracts. Brown's big finish:

If an edited date of birth and a strange new name got young Roberto Hernandez Heredia into a tryout, onto a mound, and into a scout’s line of sight, you think he regrets that during his few hours in prison today? I wouldn’t.

Assuming he gets the $7 million he’s got coming this season, he’ll have made $22 million in his career. Against the alternative, think that’s worth running around with someone else’s name and birthday for 12 years?

As a business, baseball must try to authenticate the ages and identities of every one of those kids who borrows a glove, wobbles onto a rutty field and hopes to become the next Miguel Tejada.

I get that.

But, as a person who sympathizes with that kid, whether he’s 16 or 19, whether he’s Roberto or Fausto, I can only say, "Que Sera Sera."

No question about it. As I've written at least a few times, professional baseball players have probably been lying about their ages as long as there's been professional baseball. When future Hall of Famer Rube Marquard signed his first professional contract in 1906, he was 19 but said he was 16, and carried that secret to his grave. Hall of Fame shortstops Phil Rizzuto and Pee Wee Reese both shaved a year off their ages when they were being scouted, and maintained the fictions throughout their careers. Hal McRae shaved a year from his age in 1965 when the Reds drafted him, and didn't come clean until his last days with the Royals, when he was 40--oops! Forty-one.

I don't know enough about the law to pontificate on the legalities, but isn't this a sort of fraud? Players lie about their age for a simple reason: to get more money for playing baseball than if they told the truth. Or just to get signed at all. Is it really a giant leap from there to ... well, stealing? Baseball players are hired because of their presumed qualifications, which essentially are 1) skills, 2) performance, and 3) age.

It's hard to fake the first two of those, but for a long, long time it's been fairly easy, in one quarter or another, to fake the third. Which is why so many players have done it for so long.

I'm just wondering ... When Phil Rizzuto's Hall of Fame candidacy was discussed by the voters -- first, members of the BBWAA, and later the Veterans Committee -- did anyone mention the "integrity clause" in the rules, then mention that Rizzuto was originally signed by the New York Yankees after lying to them about something that's actually pretty important.

Granted, it worked out well for the Yankees, and of course for the Scooter. But how much money have teams wasted in the last century because they didn't know how old a player was? Are we supposed to just pretend that didn't happen? Yes, it was (and is) the clubs' job to find out whatever they can about prospective signees. But if a man robs a bank, we don't penalize the bank for lax security. We throw Willie Sutton in jail.

And it's not just the banks -- er, I mean the teams that get hurt when players lie about their ages. Other players get hurt, too. It's a zero-sum game, or nearly so. When the Yankees signed Rizzuto, it's possible that another player who would have been signed wasn't; perhaps a player who thought lying about his age was morally wrong.

I don't actually know that any players back then (or now) thought it was morally wrong. But one has to think there have been a few young men, here and there over the course of the decades, who simply couldn't tell that lie. And I have to think that a few of those young men lost money because of it, or perhaps even the chance to play professionally at all.

Honestly, when I started writing this piece, I had no intention of winding up on steroids ... But we've arrived, haven't we? Fausto Carmona / Roberto Heredia is simply the very latest professional baseball player busted in the process of breaking a rule in the pursuit of a competitive advantage. But if Carmona/Heredia were a better pitcher and someday a Hall of Fame candidate, how many voters would hold his three-year lie against him?

Zero. None of them would. Players have always done it, so it's cool. Also, nobody went directly from lying about his age to breaking Hank Aaron's record.

Look, the integrity clause is in the Hall of Fame's voting rules. Maybe it's there for a good reason. But until 2007, voters had considered that clause exactly twice: in 1936, the first time Shoeless Joe Jackson appeared on the ballot; and again in 1946, when he was considered again. Followed by six decades of approximately zero Hall of Fame candidates losing any real support because of challenges to their integrity.*

* One might construct cases for Carl Mays and Dick Allen losing votes for supposed deficiencies of character, but one can also argue they just didn't have the numbers that Hall of Famers have historically preferred.

I'm not saying Phil Rizzuto shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because he fibbed about his birthday. I'm saying that if Hall of Fame voters are really going to apply the integrity clause to the candidates under their care, they should do some serious things about what integrity means, in the context of the game.

And once that happens, I do hope they'll get back to us. Because I sure haven't figured it out yet, myself.

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Personal integrity vs. the integrity of the game

Very interesting…

I would break it down by distinguishing personal integrity, which the age liars have fouled against, from the integrity of the game, which gamblers, steroid users, and cheaters fouled against. That seems like an important distinction.

Nobody cares whether Babe Ruth hit his last home run when he was 40 or 43. Certainly a players age impacts how much he is paid, whether he is signed, and therefore how much others are paid and perhaps not signed. No question that is unethical. I would further argue that teams should have the option of voiding a contract in such cases, and perhaps even suing the player to recover past salaries or signing bonuses. But, when it comes down to it, Fausto Carmona, or whoever he is pitched no more successfully because he is older than he reported to be.

Steroid users, gamblers and other cheats, however, manipulated the game to their advantage. Had Barry Bonds not taken steroids, the record books would look different and there is little doubt that the W-L records of many teams and what teams represented the NL West in the postseason would have been different to some degree. That difference is huge.

Eamus Ursuli!

by WGNstatic on Jan 20, 2012 10:33 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good post

It’s unethical and it sucks. And he’s rightly being punished for it, and he probably deserves more punishment from MLB – i.e. voided contract, a lawsuit to claim back some of the money they paid him. That’s assuming the Indians feel that lying about his age has caused them a financial injury in some way.

But to get to Rob’s question, if the guy put up 80 WAR, 3,000 stirkeouts, 300 wins, and a 2.90 career ERA? I’d have to vote for him. He still achieved those accomplishments through natural baseball skills and performance. Lying about your age may get you noticed and drafted, and even promoted, but it doesn’t increase your actual ability on the field the way steroids and maybe greenies and even doctoring a spitball do.

So, I think there should be punishment for the crime, especially financially. BUT, I don’t think a no vote for the hall of fame is the warranted punishment.

by aronofsky40 on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeh, kinda lame using this age thing to advance hall of fame argument for steroid users

Yeh, kinda lame using this age thing to tadvance hall of fame argument for steroid users.

by Mirror on Jan 21, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, the BBWAA will address the integrity issue soon enough.

They’re just “waiting for wisdom.”*

*—Translation: Punting.

I think the age issue has not so much to do with performance — WGHstatic is right — but … let’s say you had a hitter who shaved three years off his age and you think he’s 28 and still in his prime when he’s really 31 and it comes time to offer a long-term contract. I give the guy a five-year deal, I want his age 29-34 seasons, not his age 32-37 seasons. Now he’s cheating me.

And BTW, you have to give Roberto credit for either stealing or making up a fabulous name.

by bucdaddy on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

He was certainly more creative than Juan Carlos Oviedo.

by Phrozen on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s fraud, plain and simple. Entire (non-sports) careers have been eviscerated due to a “white lie” on a resume. How is this any different? In some ways, it is worse. Players should be held accountable, even prosecuted. There should at least be provisions in the CBA that void any current contracts when the fraud is exposed. When are we going to stop making excuses and rationalizations for athletes?

by Vmac on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

That's a pretty poor comparison

Lying about your age isn’t a “competitive advantage” except in the sense that it might get you a better chance at a contract than the next guy at spring training who is being honest about his age. Fausto Carmona lying about his age did not affect his physical ability at all. Minimize or excuse steroids if you like but this is a very bad parallel to draw.

by Vidor1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

I agree that lying about age is not a competitive advantage on the field. It is still an integrity issue though. I think it opens up a reasonable are for interpretation whether the integrity clause should be applied only to on field issues or for everything. I think the biggest problem people have with PEDs is that we feel like suckers, we’ve been duped into cheering for something false. I don’t think that applies to players who are older than advertised.

by LorenM on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong, it is a competitive advantage.

In the competition for garnering contracts and money, it is a big advantage over honest folks.

by hotwater2 on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Pujols

Why won’t anyone acknowledge that he, who is also from the Dominican, probably has shaved 2-3 years of his age too?

Tony LaRussa- resident genius

by putmeincoach on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, it is. Its also the correct word

The guy tried to enroll in JUCO before but was rebuffed because he didn’t have a HS diploma. He then signed up for high school at “16” because 16 just happened to be the maximum age at which you could enroll in high school. He told his wife that he was three years older when they met. He now says he was lying then, but was he really lying then.. or is he lying now? His career path is also exactly that of player who is 2-3 years older than he says he is. His three year decline makes perfect sense if you look at it that way.

Tony LaRussa- resident genius

by putmeincoach on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgive a Pirates fan

if he hasn’t noticed any “decline.”

by bucdaddy on Jan 21, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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