The Rangers have Yu Darvish under contract, but just how good will he be for Texas?
Jan 18, 2012 - Yu Darvish has signed with the Texas Rangers after using up every last moment of the negotiating window. In addition to the $51.7 million bid paid to the Nippon Ham Fighters for the rights to talk to the Japanese phenom, the Rangers will also pay $60 million over six years to Darvish. It's difficult to pinpoint if he will be worth the total contract (just based on the hype, that seems like a potential steal), but a look into the projections for him could help sort things out.
First, some explanation is in order in regards to projections for pitchers from Japan. Forecasts for players in the majors (or coming from the minors) are easier, in the sense that enough of a sample -- thousands and thousands of players and player seasons -- has been built up, increasing our confidence in the fortunes augured. Not so for players coming from Japan, as the number of players and player seasons we work with is exponentially smaller. Dan Szymborski, creator of the ZiPS projection system, explained this after the rights to Darvish were won:
Japan's professional league is a very high level of play, somewhere between Triple-A and the majors, but there's still a lot we don't know about how Japanese pitchers will fare in MLB. Going back through history, there are only 21 pitchers that had full-time jobs in Japan who went on to pitch 50 innings in the majors. That's the extent of our knowledge of how Japanese pitchers fare in the majors.
Some NPB imports have succeeded (Hideo Nomo pitched 12 years after transferring to MLB; Colby Lewis, while not Japanese, pitched in Japan before returning to succeed in MLB), others have seen mixed results (Daisuke Matsuzaka has been effective or difficult to watch, depending on his heatlh), and others (Kei Igawa) were never able to put it together. This isn't something local to Japan -- just like anywhere else in the world where there is baseball, there are Japanese pitchers who are better, worse, or somewhere in between. When it comes to projecting Japanese hurlers here in MLB, though, the scarcity issues with pitchers to analyze makes pinpointing a player's future difficult. It's no different than projecting the performance of say, a Cuban player who skips the minors for the majors.
That's why projections for players coming from Japan might be overly optimistic or pessimistic -- we probably just don't know enough yet, due to not having enough of a sample to work with. Two of the forecasts out for Darvish right now are those of Oliver (from Hardball Times) and Szymborski's ZiPS. The two have little in common, despite coming from the same data source -- Darvish's statistics from the NPB:
| IP | ERA | K/9 | BB/9 | WAR | |
| ZiPS | 194 | 3.62 | 7.8 | 2.1 | 4.5 |
| Oliver | 193 | 2.45 | 10.3 | 2.0 | 6.4 |
Given Darvish is projected to be above-average in strikeouts, but not by a whole lot, it's safe to say ZiPS sees his success coming due to his extreme groundball tendencies. Oliver on the other hand sees a transfer of almost Darvish's entire strikeout rate from Japan, along with those grounders, and predicts him to be one of the top pitchers in the majors, if not the very best. No pressure or anything, Yu.
On the surface, Oliver's projection comes off as far too optimistic, and ZiPS either spot-on or pessimistic, depending how you're feeling. As Jonah Keri said back in December, though, it's difficult to project players from a league where, "a young star like Ichiro can carry his numbers to MLB fame, but an MLB washout like Tuffy Rhodes can also go on to hit 55 homers in a single season in Japan." Darvish might actually be the best pitcher on the planet right now, as Oliver suggests, or maybe he's more ZiPS-flavored -- just the perfect replacement for the departed C.J. Wilson.
We haven't seen a pitcher like Darvish come over from Japan before, either, so direct comparisons to others don't necessarily apply. Between his deep repertoire (Patrick Newman of NPBTracker.com lists him as having a fastball, cutter, curve, shuuto, forkball, change-up, and slider, with speeds ranging up to 96 m.p.h. down to 60), his build (6-foot-5 and over 220 pounds), and his durability (he's averaged nearly 205 innings a year in his five seasons), he's what many scouts would consider to be a can't-miss success. He's also just 25 years old, meaning the Rangers are getting him in the prime years of his career. Would it be that surprising if a pitcher with great scouting reports, great results, and great projections was, well, great?
It's tough to get a read on how successful players transitioning from the NPB to MLB will be due to the lack of data, but with Darvish's background and past success, he seems like the easiest bet to win out of those the projection systems have made. Maybe Oliver is a little ahead of itself here, and maybe ZiPS is too pessimistic, even if it likes Darvish well enough. But without more pitchers like Darvish coming over, regardless of success or failure, we won't get any better at this.
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Also missing, for the batting side, are those who did something in the MLB but did nothing in NPB (e.g. Pete Incaviglia ) and those who did nothing in the NPB but did something in the MLB (e.g. Matt Staris).
But no one fails to mention Tuffy Rhodes. Pretty selective to say the least.
by infimum on Jan 18, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions
Selective?
This wasn’t a comprehensive look at every player who has been in Japan and the US. It’s meant to explain why projections for players coming from NPB might not be as solid just yet as those for MLB and MiLB players, due to vastly smaller samples.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 18, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Slecetive =/= not comprehensive
You did choose to mention Tuffy Rhodes, not Pete Incaviglia. If you complain about the lack of data and you choose to look at only those who succeeded in the NPB, I am just letting you know that those who failed at the NPB outnumbers those who succeeded.
by infimum on Jan 18, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Pete Incaviglia
Is in the small-sample projections whether I mention him in the post or not, though.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
How many
Pete Incaviglia-like players who played in the NPB did you look up before writing this article and decided to complain about the lack of data? That’s what I am talking about.
by infimum on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Unless there are thousands and thousands of MLB/NPB player seasons to look at...
The amount of data is lacking relative to what exists for MLB and MiLB projections. This is not a criticism of the NPB, or its quality, in any way. There is just less to work with in terms of reliable data.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 6:09 AM EST up reply actions
And it's not about "looking up" players
As the post says, there are only 21 pitchers who have pitched in Japan, and come to the US and thrown at least 50 innings. There were 325 pitchers in MLB who threw 50 innings just last season. Do that every year, going back over a hundred years, and that’s the kind of divide in sample we’re talking about when making projections.
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by Marc Normandin on Jan 19, 2012 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
This is not a fair critique
Marc didn’t mention Shigetoshi Hasegawa, Hideki Irabu or Kazahiro Sasaki either. The Tuffy Rhodes comment was clearly meant to illustrate the point that it’s really difficult to project players moving between Japan and the US. Rhodes is one of the best known examples of that.
If Marc had been doing a comprehensive survey of players who played in both the NPB and MLB, then leaving out Incaviglia would be an oversight.
by jco on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I'll buy into that ZiPS projection
that seems reasonable to me
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 9:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I think ZiPS is a little pessimistic, to the tune of about a win, maybe a little more.
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by lailaihei on Jan 18, 2012 9:07 PM EST reply actions
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