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Pedro Martínez On Steroids: 'No. No.'

Jan 11, 2012 - Tuesday, Pedro Martinez went on Boston's WEEI for an interview, and as usual he didn't disappoint.

For one thing, just in case you were wondering, Martínez knows exactly which writers (George King and LaVelle Neal III) left him completely off their MVP ballots in 1999.

Were you ever tempted to take steroids?

No. No. Because when I was in Triple-A, I was told that I was too small, that I was too fragile to pitch in the big leagues in the Dodgers organization. Back then, I felt tempted. One of my teammates said, ‘I have a doctor, if you want to go and get a shot and get whatever and get big...' He never gave me details. I asked him what would happen. How would that work? He specifically said that there are certain areas of a man that will get damaged. As soon as he said that, I said, ‘No. There's no way that I will go for that.'

Steroids, they came into baseball very smoothly. They were left there for a long time. They did their job and did their damage to baseball. But I was never interested. I was so willing to prove to everybody that I could do it. ... I wanted to prove everybody so wrong. I finally did it. I'm thankful for not ever taking anything illegal.

Now, let the record show that Pedro Martínez categorically denies using steroids. But his rationale is not that using steroids was cheating, and thus wrong; his rationale was that he didn't want to risk damage to certain areas.

Which is fine. My point is that within the moral universe of professional athletes, "cheating" really isn't something they spend a lot of time worrying about. That said, Pedro doesn't seem to think that acknowledged steroids users should be in the Hall of Fame. Which I'm guessing is a minority opinion among his generation of players, though someday we'll know for sure.

One more thing I learned ... I've long been been fascinated by "ghost players" ... guys who were on active rosters in the majors but never actually got into a game. They wore the uniform, they were paid as major leaguers, but don't appear on the lists because they never got into a game. According to Pedro, his younger brother Jesus once spent a month in the majors with the Dodgers but never actually pitched.

Anyway, it's entertaining and Pedro sort of accuses MVP voters of racism. So there's that, too.

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I’m going to disagree with you a little bit there. It’s a little hard to parse Pedro’s sentences, as he begins the first paragraph, with “No, no,” before explicitly acknowledging that he was tempted, but looking a the second paragraph, he seems to suggest that his pride challenged him to succeed on his own terms, which to me suggests that there was something false, empty, unfulfilling about succeeding with the assistance of PEDs.

But I was never interested. I was so willing to prove to everybody that I could do it. … I wanted to prove everybody so wrong.

I see the shadow of a moral objection there. Don’t you?

To those who cheer Jon Rauch, we salute you.

by Edgy DC on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

But Pride is IMmoral

It’s one of the Seven Deadly sins (in fact it’s often considered the worst of the seven), and I presume Pedro was raised a Catholic. So if that’s his basis for avoiding steroids, it’s innately not a moral one.

by J0SER on Jan 11, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

"Pride"

That isn’t what “pride” means to the Church. There’s nothing innately immoral about thinking, “Everyone thinks I can’t do this, I want to work to prove them wrong.” Pride becomes a sin just when it becomes an inordinate love of self (per Thomas Aquinas), especially when someone puts himself above God.

by frightwig on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Having pride in yourself, which to me means doing your best and wanting to show others that you give effort, is not the same selfish pride that the Bible talks about.

by Brett Davis on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Morality?

Is there really any reason to try to judge Pedro’s morality here? Is it prideful to think that you can prove people wrong? Or is it competitive? I want to be the best that I possibly can be, which includes better than others, at everything I put my time into. Being competitive is the only way that an athlete excels in the sports world due to the high competition for simply having a job.

If Pedro didn’t take steroids, it’s not up to us to figure out why. It’s up to us to figure out whether or not he did. if you believe him, like I do, then you take his words at face value.

by Brett Davis on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t believe how quickly responses to my point got ridiculously silly.

WHETHER YOU RESPECT THE PEDRO’S MORAL THINKING OR NOT, he seems to express HIS IDEA of a moral rationale for his decision in paragraph two.

“Is there really any reason to try to judge Pedro’s morality here?”

I’m just trying to get to discuss with the author whether there was moral expression or not.

To those who cheer Jon Rauch, we salute you.

by Edgy DC on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Pedro: "No. No."

BBWAA: “Guilty as charged.”

by bucdaddy on Jan 11, 2012 2:37 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Double negative

“Two for no, one for yes, Mrs Claridge”
“Beep. Beep.”
“Yes, yes.”

IGNORE ME

by tsunamijesus on Jan 11, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

A thought comes to mind....

If Pedro really didn’t do steroids, and still did what he did from 94-05, before he got hurt…then wow. He may have been the best pitcher we will ever see. And to be as dominant as he was in 99 and 00, at the height of the “Steroid Era”….well, that is otherworldly.

by Brett Davis on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

Not using may explain

why, for someone so dominant, he was broken all the time.

by bobcat80 on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with Brett, disagree with bobcat. He had a perfectly balanced body, strength lined up just right

If he did steroids, it would be much more difficult for him to manage strength proportions between parts of his body and I think he would break down much earlier. Strong legs, tear apart your shoulder, etc. Pedro in his prime was just unreal. His simulated games against the Mariners (oh wait, those counted? Jesus..) helped his stats a bit though, haha. He absolutely OWNED the Mariners

IGNORE ME

by tsunamijesus on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember the '99 All Star Game?

Struck out 5 batters in a row? Did you guys know that the 2000 season had the highest runs scored per game average for a single season after the scoring explosion of the early 1930s? That’s right, one of Pedro’s two historic seasons was during the best per game scoring season of the last 80 years, while doing it in the DH league, in the AL East. I really hope that Maddux is the first 100% HoFer (he won’t be) but Pedro should be right there with him.

by Brett Davis on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Mariners had one of those last year, Rob.

Jose Yepez, catcher. Was only on the roster for about a week or so around the end of June, if I recall correctly. Never got into a game.

by Aussie Mariner on Jan 12, 2012 6:24 AM EST reply actions  

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