C.J. Wilson caused a stir when he had some critical things to say about Oakland's ballpark, fan base and weather. Also they are all true.
Aug 11, 2011 - It seems like a good number of people are always supportive of athletes speaking their minds until they actually do it. Wednesday night, following the end of a series against the Mariners, Rangers starter C.J. Wilson was asked about his upcoming start against the A's in Oakland. Wilson took that opportunity to issue some critical remarks, and now those remarks are all the rage. I don't know about your Twitter feed, but my Twitter feed has been clogged up by people talking about Wilson, and I'm pretty important.
It's revealing when athletes open up. It gives us a rare glimpse of their actual opinions. Sometimes those opinions are bad, and a controversy is inevitable, but with Wilson here, I'm just not seeing it. For one thing, it's C.J. Wilson, who will talk about anything, at length, even when you don't want him to, like an irritating store clerk. Honesty from Wilson is nothing unusual. And for another thing, while he was uncommonly frank for a player, nothing he said was actually wrong. To review:
(1) "I hate pitching [in Oakland]."
All right. Pretty honest, but all right. Stands to reason nobody would be more familiar with what C.J. Wilson hates than C.J. Wilson. Care to explain?
(2) "The mound sucks"
This is kind of hard, but who would know a pitcher's mound better than a pitcher? The mound was the first thing Wilson mentioned. He seems to feel pretty strongly about it. Even if other people disagree, it's all subjective, and if Wilson doesn't like the mound, he doesn't like the mound. He's not wrong.
(3) "The fans suck"
This was, obviously, the big one. The Wilson remark likely to ruffle the most feathers. But if you look at what he actually said...well what better way to look at what he actually said than by reading a transcript?
There's no fans there. You know, there's not a lot of...you know, it's too bad, because like the fans that are there are really adamant, they're really stoked on the team, and they play drums and they wave flags and that's cool. But you know...there's like, some games you go there and there's like 6,000 people there. It's kind of sad, because it's a major league team and there's guys out there that are obviously pretty good players. Guys like Cahill and Gio Gonzalez, obviously they are All-Star pitchers - and I just wish that the fan base supported them a little more. It's kind of a downside of things the way they are right now, that...the team wants to move to a different location, the fans don't want them to move, there's an ownership/fan thing kind of going on there (etc).
Nothing in there is disagreeable. Had Wilson stopped after "the fans suck," that would've been one thing, but his explanation painted an accurate picture. A lot of the fans who do show up are loud and animated, but there's no denying that they show up in small numbers. It's been like this for years. Oakland was not able to build an environment even when successful, and now that the team has fallen on harder times, it's reflected in the atmosphere.
(4) "I don't like pitching in cold weather, it's always kind of cool there."
C.J. Wilson was born in Newport Beach, he went to school in Los Angeles, and he's spent his entire major league career with Texas. He's used to heat, and he prefers the heat. Not objectionable.
(5) "I'd rather pitch [in Texas] than in Oakland, regardless of the weather. I like the fans [in Texas] a lot better."
Texas gets fans, while Oakland, as we've established, does not get fans. This follows from point #3. Wilson likes to pitch in an enthusiastic environment, so of course he prefers what he prefers.
This is so not a controversy that I already think this is a worthless blog post, and I'm not even done writing it yet. The worst thing that Wilson said was that the A's don't get enough fan support, which is one of the least arguable statements that can be made, along with "red is red" and "Cheez-Its are better than Wheat Thins." Maybe players aren't supposed to point those kinds of things out, I don't know, but I like when they do. I like when players think what people think.
What's funny is that, during the same interview, Wilson said something else about another subject that's actually worthy of raised eyebrows. From the linked article:
Wilson said the A's series is key because the Rangers have sometimes approached games against teams with lesser records, like Oakland, "lackadaisically."
"I think sometimes we go into those things thinking our record is so much better than this team so whatever, and that's not the right way to do it," Wilson said. "You have to be like this is a major league team, we have to beat them, we have to outplay them every inning."
That is C.J. Wilson admitting that, at least in the past, the Rangers have been guilty of overlooking certain lesser opponents and playing down to their level. That seems to me like it's a much bigger deal than saying Oakland gets lousy fan support. I don't know if it's true, and I don't know what kind of effect it might have if it is, but it seems like a somewhat candid remark. Frustrated fans are always accusing their teams of playing down to weak opponents. Wilson says that the Rangers have done just that.
So it's a controversy! Behind the other controversy that isn't controversial! I'm glad we could get something out of this exercise after all.
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Even his remarks on being tempted to play down to the A's don't strike me as controversial
and, I like Wheat Thins
by cfj3 on Aug 11, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
As an Oakland Fan...
It’s not annoying to hear an opposing player say these things, yes there aren’t many fans at A’s games. But I do hate it how everyone likes to point it out, but no one wants to mention why. We have an owner who is actively saying he does not like the city, and the park has been stripped of all amenities just in the past 5 years because of bad leadership. Add in the ugly mt davis and the fact that even hardcore A’s fans can’t recognize their favorite player (yes even during the good times, all star players were leaving every offseason) and it’s no wonder people aren’t coming. I’m sick of Oakland fans being blamed for this, yes the A’s are poor and have a bad owner, but people are getting cause and effect confused
by Max Abrams on Aug 11, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Wilson actually did mention that!
He was quite thorough. I just didn’t continue the transcript.
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 11, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard the interview
He said the ownership wants to move but the fans are resisting – which is not necessarily true. Some fans don’t want the team to move, others just want a new local ball park and SJ is considered local. Not impressed with his knowledge of the situation.
Though the bulk of what he said is true and uncontroversial, he still comes off like a loud-mouth douche.
by my_cat_max on Aug 11, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Quit trying to stir shit up, Jeff.
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by jam0152 on Aug 11, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
For a guy who is "straight edge" he sounds drunk in his comments
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
by splitty on Aug 11, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
great article Jeff
NO This is why i dont come here so much anymore. it has become a destination for certain types which i am not.
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by shock00 on Aug 11, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Cheez-its better than wheat thins?
most controversial statement in the whole article.
Wheat Thins>Cheez-Its. They’re like delicious little trays to put other kinds of food on and have a delightful crunch and taste, whereas Cheez-Its are just salty, make you thirsty, and don’t go well with anything on them.
by Fiesta on Aug 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
Completely wrong
I said it right there in the article
by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 11, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wheat thins are better
Cheeze its just leave that yellow stuff on your fingers……..as to the rest, who cares
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by ArchAngel_7 on Aug 13, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
et tu, Jeff?
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 11, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
if only
he would had pitched in Florida, none of this would had happened….
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by Ivan the Great on May 20, 2011 12:31 PM VET
by Bizarros on Aug 11, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
it wasn't the worst thing a person could say
But he did say the fans suck. So F him.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 11, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
yeah...
There’s a major difference between saying “The fans suck” and “They don’t have many fans”. Although he went on to say that the fans who were there were, in fact, good fans, he should have retracted the “suck” part. (Perhaps he did, it wasn’t in the quote, though)
It drives me crazy when someone says a team’s fans are not good fans because there aren’t as many as would be desirable.
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by sddbaker on Aug 11, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
right.
If he didn’t say “the fans suck” then I wouldn’t really have too much of an issue. But that’s pretty low.
by Billy Frijoles on Aug 11, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't play for your team...
what do you care whether he thinks you suck? Are you ever going to wish he doesn’t suck unless he starts playing for your team?
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by jameslcrockett on Aug 13, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I missed where CJ Wilson got traded to the Cardinals
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by BigStein on Aug 11, 2011 7:54 PM EDT reply actions
Seems interesting a reds fan would post this
Brandon Phillips? lol…
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by Dttl89 on Aug 12, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't too long ago that Ian Kinsler was calling out fans in Texas
by kevinkinsler on Aug 11, 2011 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Ha ha
Thanks for the article, Jeff. You are the man.
There needs to be a place like the Coliseum, exactly what it is, cold and damp and glum with a cavernous field layout to accentuate the utter lameness of the offense of the home team. A place where you can almost always get a good ticket to see major league ball.
For every CJ Wilson saying Oakland fans suck, there are 3,202 A’s fans saying CJ Wilson sucks.
by Cow-Cow Davenport on Aug 11, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
Shoulda gone with Cheez its are better than Cheese Nips... few can argue this.
by Sricko on Aug 12, 2011 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
The mound sucks
Is not exactly the same as “I don’t like the mound there.” As you say, I’m sure he knows what it is he likes, but “the mound sucks” is an objective statement. And I think upthread people have covered the quote about the fans sucking, and then he completely turns it around in context. So, um, maybe he shouldn’t have said “the fans suck” in the first place? And yes, I can hold it against him.
by el generico on Aug 12, 2011 5:29 AM EDT reply actions
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