Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: UEFA Champions League 2012: Chelsea Wins on Penalties

SB Nation Neyer's Wire

How I Got Suspended By ESPN

Jul 18, 2011 - This happened almost eleven years ago. There aren't any good guys in this story, including me. Granted, some guys might seem gooder than others. But that's your pick.

It was the middle of September, 2000. I was living in Boston, and between Red Sox games I was writing four or five columns every week for ESPN.com. On this particular day, there was some minor controversy regarding Randy Johnson. The details are now lost to me, but it was something about a lot of strikeouts in one game, and whether some "record" should include only nine-inning outings, or more. As I remember, vaguely.

That's how important the issue was; probably nobody remembers, not even me.

Anyway, I didn't really have a dog in the fight, but my basic take was that the Elias Sports Bureau occupied the logical high ground on this mole hill. But at the suggestion of an editor, I called Steve Hirdt, then (as now) the company's public face, for some clarification.*

* SteveHirdt!

Now, I should mention that there was a bit of a history there. I worked for Bill James from 1989 through 1992. Bill had engaged in a public feud with Elias for some years, basically accusing the Sports Bureau of being both larcenous and incompetent. But that was Bill; I was not generally in a position to rip Elias, and generally I didn't. One notable exception was this ESPN.com column from 1999, in which I carpet-bombed Elias's intellectually bankrupt attempt, over the course of some years, to prove the existence of clutch hitting as an ability.

I don't know ... I might have given Elias another back-handed slap here or there, but it probably wasn't anything serious. Elias was a business partner of ESPN's, and when you work at ESPN (or anywhere else) you are highly discouraged from slapping your business partners. I was lucky to get away with the clutch-hitting thing, and knew it.

Okay, so back to the fall of 2000 ... If memory serves, I didn't get Steve Hirdt's voice-mail; I did leave a message with a secretary (or whoever answered the phone) who said she would pass it along. I waited an hour or two for a return call before publishing the column, which (again) was not critical of Elias; I was basically on their side, or at worst was sympathetic to their rationale.

Shortly afterward, my editor called. Or rather, my editor's boss called. They were yanking my column because I hadn't called Elias. But I had called Elias. My editor's boss called me back a few minutes later. Sorry. Steve Hirdt says you didn't call. Nothing we can do about it. Tough shit.

Today, I am less passionate and impetuous than I was eleven years ago. This isn't a good thing or a bad thing; it just is.

Eleven years ago, my passionate impetuosity resulted in something really stupid: In just a few minutes, I recapped the above on the front page of my Website, with a few choice words for whoever in Bristol didn't take my word above that of Steve Hirdt (who, I was convinced at the time, was lying because he wanted to screw me).

I didn't know that anyone at ESPN would actually see it.

Of course, they see everything.

Another phone call from my editor's boss. Rob, I have to suspend you for two weeks. Why? Because you criticized ESPN.

Momentary panic. Can't find my contract anywhere. Ask HR to send me a copy. There's nothing in there about two-week suspensions; only one-week suspensions, and terminations. Figuring I won't get fired over this, I e-mail editor's boss and hint about calling an employment lawyer. It doesn't take long before another phone call, this time to inform me that, oops, I'll be suspended for only one week.

This seemed to me a non-terrible outcome: I get to keep my really cool job, with a week of unpaid vacation. I spent most of it in Chicago, visiting Wrigley Field a few times and learning that Fenway's a better place to see a baseball game. A month or so later, I finished a book that almost nobody would read. When the playoffs started, I was back on duty, happy to be working and getting paid for it.

Two codas ...

With my contract expiring that winter, I made the pilgrimage to snowy Bristol and sat down with my boss's boss and his boss. I'm absolutely sure there were people at ESPN who would have been perfectly happy to say goodbye to me forever, but I was contrite about the Elias Affair and got the impression I would be offered another contract. Which I was, then and more times in the coming years. Later there was another unfortunate incident, born of my impetuous passions, which didn't result in a suspension but did result in a half-hearted letter of apology, which was rewritten by my (new) editor's (new) boss and posted on ESPN.com with my name on it. That was fun.

Around the same time, I was doing a weekly spot on ESPNews with Brian Kenny. One Tuesday, I was slated to engage in a friendly (I thought) debate with Steve Hirdt, with Kenny as enthusiastic referee.

Steve Hirdt refused to appear on-screen with me. We did it without him.

That afternoon, I emailed Steve Hirdt. Politely. Just wondering what would have been so awful about it.

His response (as I recall it): You know why.

You stay classy, Elias Sports Bureau.

Yeah, I know. Cheap shot. Maybe Steve Hirdt has mellowed. I have.

Do you like this post?

Head_medium

Rob Neyer

National Baseball Editor

Rob Neyer began his career with legendary baseball author Bill James, and later worked for STATS, Inc. and ESPN.com, writing more words for that website than anyone else. Rob has written or... Read full bio


Comments

Display:

Your story re: ESPN suspension

This is a superbly written story. And full of rare humility and down to earth perspective. It’s one of the best sport columns of the month.

by brewonsouthu on Jul 18, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I once applied for a job at Elias

This was a decade ago if not more.

 Five years before that (while in high school), I had bought two at a bargain bookstore just before I left for a vacation. I plowed through those charts and data sets like nobody’s business.

But after college, I had some brief success as a freelance sports writer. Stupid me wanted to work on the Elias Baseball Annual, or whatever it was called. My resume and cover letter were geared toward that end. But … the book hadn’t been published for years, and I had no idea.

I get a phone call from someone at Elias — someone decently high up at the time, because he made a point of telling me that. I don’t know if it was Hirdt and have no reason to believe it was him.

I was excited, figuring that I was getting a job interview offer or something good. I was wrong. The caller just excoriated me, repeatedly, asking me why I’d possibly apply for a job to work on a publication which no longer exists. It was not specific to me, either — he told me that he gets letters like mine regularly and people are basically morons etc. etc.

Don’t get me wrong: I was basically a moron, having not checked to see if the book was still being published (or, in the very least, having assumed that it was even though I couldn’t find it). A simple phone call would have answered that. But the reaction… wow. I don’t really see why he’d have taken the time to bother yelling at me about it.

Learn something new every day: http://dlewis.net/nik

by Dan Lewis on Jul 18, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

When the Jamesean movement first took shape, the attitude toward baseball statistics inside the company whose job it was to keep the official statistics for Major League Baseball was an odd mixture of possessiveness and indifference. In the late 1970s, the baseball writer Dan Okrent, with two colleagues from book publishing, went to pitch an idea to the CEO of the Elias Sports Bureau, Seymour Siwoff. The idea, recalled Okrent, “was to try to persuade him to collaborate with us on a painstakingly detailed, under-the-fingernails things you never knew book about baseball stats. The image is indelible: We are sitting there with this guy who looks like a superannuated ferret, his pale skinny arms protruding from the billowing short sleeves of his white-on-white shirt, and he brushes us off with a dismissive wave of his hand. ‘Boys,’ he said, ‘nobody gives a shit about this stuff.’”
In 1985 the Elias Bureau finally woke up and published a book, a virtual twin in outward appearance to the 1985 Baseball Abstract, called the 1985 Elias Baseball Analyst. (The superannuated ferret was a co-author.) Although the company finally divulged some of the statistics they had long withheld from James and other analysts, they failed to do anything much with them. The writers imitated James’s prose style but, lacking anything interesting to say, they wound up sounding empty and arch. James was happy to confirm the casual reader’s impression that the Elias Bureau had a whiff of Salieri about it. “When the Baseball Abstract hit the bestseller lists,” James wrote in his final Abstract,
the [Elias Bureau] launched their own competitor, the main purposes of which were to:
a) make money
b) steal all of my ideas
c) make as many disparaging comments as possible about me
So that was a lot of fun.

"Good hitter. Shitty team -- good hitter."

by Dandy Salderson on Jul 18, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

*reply fail

That was from Moneyball.

"Good hitter. Shitty team -- good hitter."

by Dandy Salderson on Jul 18, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Feels similar

I’ve read Moneyball, of course, and I vaguely remember reading that passage. In any event, my experience echoes that one.

Learn something new every day: http://dlewis.net/nik

by Dan Lewis on Jul 18, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Book

I read that book, Feeding the Green Monster….it wasn’t a very good book. But I bought it, and read it, and am glad I did. That was certainly an interesting time in your life.

I remember another story about your troubles with ESPN, and an assumed name….

by Shawn Wright Weaver on Jul 18, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

beware

Positive reviews of this post by Ike Farrell.

by Mark Mandingo on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Pretty sure the Randy Johnson thing you're talking about

Is when he struck out 20 in nine innings, but it’s not considered an official 20 K performance, because the game went 10 innings.

I always thought that was kind of dumb.

If I were Ryan Braun, I'd be really excited to be Ryan Braun, too.
I'm writing a little for disciplesofuecker.com now. Go there to read the stuff Jack, Jordan, and Toby write, and if you want to read some of my stuff, that's cool, too.

by Lefti on Jul 18, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it's interesting Rob says few probably remember it, and treats it as an esoteric event.

I remember that game, and the idiotic controversy, like it was yesterday.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Jul 18, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Elias eventually fixed it...

I found this reference in a story written some time after the event:

“Johnson’s effort initially wasn’t recognized as a record because it happened in an extra-inning game. But after pressure from the commissioner’s office and the club, the Elias Sports Bureau relented and said Johnson would be credited for tying the record — with the added notation that it was for the first nine innings of an extra-inning game.

Many references to that performance incorrectly state to this day that it is not a record."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/revisiting-randy-johnson-amassed-20-strikeouts-may-2001.html#ixzz1SVWgi9ej

by kristian1 on Jul 18, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Firings

At least you didn’t send a picutre of your….well, nevermind.

Is it true that Rusty Staub hired (or some version of that relationship) Hirdt and Elias to try to bolster his HOF chances? I’ve heard this from a few people.

by Bob Tufts on Jul 18, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Feeding the Green Monster, I presume?
A month or so later, I finished a book that almost nobody would read.

I loved that book.

"Good hitter. Shitty team -- good hitter."

by Dandy Salderson on Jul 18, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Unclear about why this is being written now.

by ldd233 on Jul 18, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Who's Feldman?

And what’s his relation to Rob?

by Brendl on Jul 18, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce Feldman

Is/was a college football writer for ESPN who was (allegedly) suspended last week for co-writing a book with former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach who had a pretty public beef with ESPN (particularly Craig James) a few years ago. The Feldman suspension has become a pretty big Twitter story as Feldman was pretty respected and the suspension seems like an awfully heavy handed response to a non-issue (especially since Feldman allegedly has ESPN’s “ok” to be involved with the Leach book in writing.)

I expect that Neyer is sharing his story about the circumstances behind his suspension from ESPN as the Feldman story has been pretty big internet news in the past week.

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was he suspended? As of Friday ESPN said he was not, but I can’t find anything more recent.

by ldd233 on Jul 18, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya, sorry

I guess we can say he was “allegedly” suspended since ESPN is denying that’s what happened.

by Michael White on Jul 18, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They said he wasn't suspended...

But in that press release they also said he would be “resuming his duties.” Kinda hard to resume something you didn’t stop, no? It was a pretty transparent effort by ESPN to cover for themselves given the hammering they were taking (and people calling to cancel their Insider subscriptions in protest), I for one sure as heck don’t believe them.

by Yinka Double Dare on Jul 18, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you’re reading too much into that. They asked him to stop writing while they decided what to do, but never withheld his pay or anything. I’m no ESPN fan and, since Neyer left, have no reason to visit or watch it at all, but it’s not a terribly unreasonable response.

by ldd233 on Jul 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a great article, Rob. Reading it I feel nostalgic. Back in those days you used to write proper, long “articles” a few times a week. Since 2007 you started doing the blogs. But you know what? Almost anyone can write a blog, but very few can write articles. You have that rare ability. So why not use it a bit more. Please consider writing at least one long “article” every week.

by Jonas007 on Jul 18, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

And the lesson, as always:

Elias is lame.

by Freneau on Jul 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   4 recs

Yup...

“when you work at ESPN (or anywhere else) you are highly discouraged from slapping your business partners”…yep; just ask Peter Pascarelli about what happens to commentators who criticize Bud Selig.

by Alec Rogers on Jul 18, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I was warned off Commissioner Bud, too.

Maybe someday I’ll tell that story.

by Rob Neyer on Jul 18, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

So I guess Bill Simmons is the only one over there allowed to do that

You need a best-seller on Amazon.

Brain: "Pinky, are you pondering what i'm pondering?"
Pinky: "Yes, but isn't a cucumber that small called a gherkin?"

by jbg2772 on Jul 18, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

TELL IT NOW!

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Jul 18, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Great story, Rob.

And I absolutely love the Arrested Development reference.

by ScottBrowne on Jul 18, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

A new motto for Elias:

There’s always bananas in the money stand.

Learn something new every day: http://dlewis.net/nik

by Dan Lewis on Jul 18, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

Good story

I really liked the Fenway book.

by HughHansen on Jul 18, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing I really know about Elias

Is that their statistical ranking of free agents for compensation is completely stupid.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jul 18, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Fenway Book

I remember when this happened. I had a group of friends that read every column and we e-mailed comments back and forth. The lack of information on why your column didn’t appear led us to actually guess the truth, although we couldn’t figure out WHY you’d been suspended.
I loved the Fenway book. I’m pretty sure John Henry read the book, too. After the new ownership took over the Sox, they made many changes that corresponded to comments in your book. They even held a meeting with season ticket holders at the end of the first season to ask for input. Because of that, I’d say it may have been one of the most influential books in Red Sox history.

by madrivervt on Jul 18, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPN v. Rob Neyer

ESPN has really turned off a lot of people off over the years. Rob was the last writer/blogger worth reading over there for a long time. I’ve been ESPN free since he left. Posanski, Neyer… the list of baseball columns worth reading starts and just about ends there.

Big Book of Baseball Lineups is pretty much the best book I have ever read in my life. I would like to write a book called Big Book of Football lineups, but I am a lazy POS.

by knucklesdaclown on Jul 18, 2011 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm no fan of ESPN

But I must admit that I enjoy reading KLaw. He’s worth reading.

by Pig.Pen on Jul 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is that an Arrested Development reference?

I’m doing that when I see Hirdt from now on.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Jul 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Nothing wrong with a cheap shot at Elias.

Because there are so many things wrong with Elias.

SB Nation Dallas-Ft. Worth - Christopher Fittz is better than porn!

by philkid3 on Jul 18, 2011 7:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wrigley

Rob: Love your writing. Still, I am disappointed that the one thing you learned in your unpaid vacation (Fenway > Wrigley) was wrong. Oh well.

by Rudemeister on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Elias

What do you expect from a company whose website is essentially a single page selling a book. Try clicking a link to contact them and give them any feedback…you can’t because it doesn’t exist. They might be the only commercial website I’ve ever encountered that has no desire to hear from its customers. Got to love old Seymour, still as clueless as ever.

by Still Royal on Jul 22, 2011 2:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed

Yahoo_full_count Yahoo_fantasy_baseball

Photo

Baseball On Par With Other Professional Sports In Dealing With Bad Umpires

LOS ANGELES, CA:  Mark Ellis #14 of the Los Angeles Dodgers gets help from Dee Gordon #9 after a collision at second base with Tyler Greene #27 of the St. Louis Cardinals during the seventh inning at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, California.  (Photo by Harry How/Getty Images)

Mark Ellis Injury: Dodgers 2B Has Emergency Leg Surgery

WASHINGTON, DC - MAY 20:  Stephen Strasburg #37 of the Washington Nationals celebrates with teammates after hitting his first career home run in the fourth inning against the Baltimore Orioles during interleague play at Nationals Park on May 20, 2012 in Washington, DC.  (Photo by Greg Fiume/Getty Images)

Stephen Strasburg Pulled Early With 'Arm Fatigue', Downplays Significance