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Apr 11, 2011 - Interesting piece from Howard Medgal on Mets manager Terry Collins' apparent preference to put his better corner outfielders in left field rather than right. Megdal:
My primary question, and one I plan to ask Terry Collins the next time I see him, is why he seems to value left field defense so much more than right field defense. The first nine games have provided a window into his view of both. Of the nine games in right field so far, Carlos Beltran started six of them. On his three days off, Lucas Duda got the call each time. In left field, without Jason Bay around, Willie Harris started six times, Scott Hairston twice, and Lucas Duda once.
--snip--
To be clear, I'm not saying Collins necessarily has this preference, and if he does, he may have reasons why. But the use of his defensive resources so far have favored left field over right field, an unorthodox choice. And yesterday, it helped cost the Mets an eighth-inning lead.
Yes, it's unorthodox. Most managers put the guy with the best arm in right field, regardless of his range, and Lonnie Smith (or Lucas Duda) in left field where he can't hurt the team as much.
Theoretically, anyway. I'm on a bus at the moment and can't check any of my books, but my memory suggests that more balls are hit to left field than to right, for the simple reason that there are more right-handed batters than left-handed, and players pull the ball more often than go the other way.*
* Feel free to refute this argument if you've got the evidence at hand, since I don't.
Now, if more balls are hit to left field than right, wouldn't you rather place your second-best outfielder there? It certainly makes sense to have a strong arm in right field, but it also makes sense (to me, in the immediate absence of data) to have some range in left field. And if your rangiest corner outfielder doesn't throw as well as the other guy? Well, that makes filling out the lineup card all that much easier.
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Shot in the dark:
Because more balls are hit to left field than right, you are more likely to have an alignment where the center fielder shades towards the gap in left center, leaving more ground to be covered by the right fielder. Therefore, you want a better right fielder.
Of course, if you are sticking a slugger in LF who is the worst of the three defenders anyway, it might be a self-fulfilling prophecy that the center fielder shades in that direction anyway.
It could also just be that the RF tends to have a better arm because he is a better defender; or put another way, the left fielder is where he is because of his offense and not his defense, and is likely to be the worst glove and the worst arm, thereby relegating him to left field where it is easier to prevent runners from advancing to third base on sac flies.
Et tu, Ribe?
by Solidarity on Apr 11, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
Realign by hitter
Why not play your two best defensive outfielders in CF and the side the given batter is most likely to hit the ball to. Does familiarity reading the ball slicing the opposite way from you and park knowledge outweigh physical skill?
by nadzor on Apr 11, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
Defensive setups
I’ve always assumed your strongest arm is in right for throws to 3rd base. Both fields are supposed to hit the cutoff man on throws to the plate, and don’t have to have the strongest arms for that. No data, just the reason I assumed for that.
by RobMille on Apr 11, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
Collins has his second best outfielder, Carlos Beltran, in RF. The reason for that is because he expected to have Jason Bay in LF, and Bay has played exactly 1 game in RF during his 8 year career.
This is Beltran’s first season playing a corner position. It wouldn’t make sense to shift him to LF for two weeks while Bay is out. He needs time to get acclimated to playing RF, which will be his role when Bay returns.
The logic is the same while Bay is out. His replacement, Willie Harris, is playing LF. It might be disruptive to move him from there on days when Beltran doesn’t play.
by aindik on Apr 11, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This
by Guy Allen Davis on Apr 12, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions
As a Mariners fan
considering Guti is injured, I’m pretty sure our second best outfielder belongs in triple A.
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by David Piper on Apr 11, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
depends
I suppose to a small extent, the stadium might have something to say about this.
by 27up-27down on Apr 11, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions
This is incorrect
When you hit the top of a baseball with a bat angled downward toward the ground (which is the normal swing plane of a baseball hitter— I suppose some cricketers might have experience at swinging at things above shoulder height…), there is a strong tendency to hit it to the pull side on the ground.
When you hit the bottom of said baseball with a bat angled downward, there is a strong tendency to hit it to the
in the air. Really. Visualize it, draw it, or go out in a park and try it. Pulling a ball in the air, without hitting it square-on, is actually quite difficult.Most fly outs would be made to center or the opposite field for that reason alone. Add in the fact that pulled flies are often smashed and, thus, often home runs or (at low launch angles) extra-base hits, and the disparity gets even wider. There’s a reason teams tend to shade hitters “the opposite way” in the outfield. The majority of fieldable fly balls are hit in that direction.
I actually think there’s a good case to be made, in a situation where you have two good outfielders and one crappy one (think the current A’s outfield of Coco Crisp (very good), David DeJesus (pretty good), and Josh Willingham (really bad)), for actually switching the corner outfielders within an inning so the bad one is always to the pull side of the hitter.
However, if switching on a batter-to-batter basis is too crazy for you, I’d suggest that you generally stick the good one on the side of the field which is the pull side of fewer hitters in the opposing team’s lineup.
Example: the other team has four righties, three lefties, and two switch hitters. Put the bad fielder in left when a left-hander is starting (pull side of six hitters) and in right when you’ve got a right-hander starting (pull side of five hitters).
If it’s tied (I wouldn’t count the pitcher or extreme groundball hitters), put the better arm in right.
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by PaulThomas on Apr 12, 2011 12:42 AM EDT reply actions
Air balls to the OF
There are almost exactly the same number of air balls to the right side and left side of the OF (left side 50.5%), therefore you cannot leverage your corner outfielders much based on batted ball location. RHB actually hit more air balls to the right side than the left side (52%), and vice versa for LHB (54% to the left side), although more harder and deeper air balls (and HR and dbls/trpls) are hit to the pull side.
(And BTW, there is no evidence that for covering a large area, the better OF’er – more range – is preferred.) In any case, on the average, the CF’er tends to play straight away or slightly to the opp field, which favors the right side slightly since there are more RH batters of course.
So it probably makes almost no difference, range -wise, where you play your corner outfielders. You simply choose your two worst OF’ers, and put the one with the strongest arm in RF (to throw to third and decrease triples). There is some logic, I suppose, for putting the faster OF’er in RF, also to decrease triples.
Of course, if you are a manager, you want to put your corner guys at the position they are most comfortable and/or experienced with.
MGL
by mgl on Apr 12, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions
Addendum
“There’s a reason teams tend to shade hitters "the opposite way" in the outfield. The majority of fieldable fly balls are hit in that direction.”
Right. My numbers did not exclude HR’s which they should have. For non-HR air balls (flies, pop flies and line drives according to retrosheet), in 2010, overall, 50.4% are hit to the RIGHT SIDE. For RHB, it is 57% to the right side. For LHB, it is 59% to the left side. Now, it is probably true that there are more easily catchable (no matter where you play), lazy fly balls hit to the opp side, which probably shifts the “effective” or relevant (to where you need to play) percentage back to the pull side. In essence, hard to catch air balls are probably 50/50, location-wise, no matter how you slice it.
by mgl on Apr 12, 2011 2:49 AM EDT reply actions
Shouldn’t the relative ease with which poorly hit balls to opposite field can be handled factor in? More balls go that way…but especially since we’re basing this on hitting the ball poorly, won’t more balls the opposite way be easier to handle?
Also, we’ve only been talking about fielding fly balls. Where does cutting off balls in the gaps or down the line (holding guys to one base) factor into our understanding of where to put the better defeder?
by Kalaska on Apr 12, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
There are lots of issues to consider other than how many balls are hit to a certain area. Unfortunately, I don’t know anyone who has done that (identify and analyze those issues). I think the rule of thumb of putting the fielder with the strongest arm in RF is a good one. If they are close (arm-wise), I don’t know where the better fielder should go. It is probably so close that it doesn’t make much difference…
by mgl on Apr 13, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, guys!
This’ll teach me, once and for all I hope, to not write about factual subjects from a moving bus.
by Rob Neyer on Apr 12, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions
Think outside the box
If you are Ron Gardenhire, the correct answer apparently is 2nd base.
by schezacn on Apr 12, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
At least...
he’s not running Nick Punto out ther every day?
by Kalaska on Apr 12, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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