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Prince Fielder's the best free agent left, but darned if it's not really hard to figure out where he's going to sign, and for what kind of contract.
Dec 13, 2011 - Coming into the offseason, there was a small handful of top-level position players on the free agent market. In truth, they were more than a handful, unless you have really big hands, but the quantity was limited. There was Jose Reyes. There was Albert Pujols. And there was Prince Fielder. Those were the big guys in an otherwise unremarkable pool.
Well, Reyes has been signed, and Pujols has been signed. There are still interesting and talented free agent position players left, like Jimmy Rollins and Carlos Beltran, but Fielder stands alone at the top, with his market seemingly slow to develop. Where's he going to land? What's the current status of the Prince Fielder sweepstakes?
The word is that Scott Boras is in the stage where he's eliminating various possibilities. That way, Boras will be left with a pool of what he considers to be serious suitors. We can try to do the same thing, going through everybody on a team-by-team basis. Let's give it a shot.
Angels
No. They just signed Pujols, and they have more than enough position players already, so they don't need to hoard.
Astros
No. Rebuilding, horrible.
Athletics
No, because, A's.
Blue Jays
Maybe! The Blue Jays have been considered a Fielder possibility from the get-go, although they are extremely reluctant to give long-term contracts.
Braves
No. Already have Freddie Freeman; Freddie Freeman is good.
Brewers
No. They picked Aramis Ramirez.
Cardinals
No. I mean, there's a tiny possibility, I guess, but the Cardinals didn't offer enough to keep Pujols, and Fielder is no Pujols.
Cubs
Maybe! The Cubs are rebuilding, but the Cubs have money and Fielder's young. Theo Epstein may not want to deal with long-term contracts, however.
Diamondbacks
No. Paul Goldschmidt! He's so exciting!
Dodgers
No. Fielder doesn't play enough middle infield positions. Also, money.
Giants
No. The Giants were forced to choose between Mike Fontenot and Jeff Keppinger because they couldn't afford both. That is not because they are setting aside money for a Fielder run.
Indians
No. Money.
Mariners
Maybe! The Mariners were cited as curious favorites for Fielder not too long ago, and they're involved, even though, like everybody else, they presumably aren't wild about a long, expensive contract.
Marlins
Maybe! The Marlins say no, and they've spent a ton already, but apparently the Marlins can do whatever they want now and they could change their collective mind on a whim.
Mets
No. Haha, no. :(
Nationals
Maybe! The Nationals say no, declaring that they're not interested in a big-money first baseman and would prefer pitching like Roy Oswalt instead, but the Nationals have money and could always re-emerge.
Orioles
Maybe! The Orioles are always a maybe, until they are a no.
Padres
No. Money.
Phillies
No. Ryan Howard, bitches!
Pirates
No. Money.
Rangers
Maybe! The Rangers have been talked about as a dark horse candidate for Fielder so often that I fail to see how they qualify as a dark horse anymore, and the fit is obviously there, but on the other hand reports have the Rangers as not being very interested, and Ken Rosenthal says that they don't have the money a lot of people think they do.
Rays
No. Money.
Red Sox
No. Adrian Gonzalez.
Reds
No. Joey Votto.
Rockies
No. Todd Helton.
Royals
No. Eric Hosmer.
Tigers
No. Miguel Cabrera.
Twins
No. Bunch of reasons.
White Sox
No. Doing the opposite of looking to add players like Prince Fielder. Also, Paul Konerko and Adam Dunn.
Yankees
No. Mark Teixeira.
Running down the list, here are our maybes:
Blue Jays
Cubs
Mariners
Marlins
Nationals
Orioles
Rangers
That's seven teams. Healthy market. However, we can probably eliminate the Orioles. They could use a splash, and maybe Dan Duquette wants to do something huge, but I have to imagine they'd need to offer way more than anybody else just to twist Fielder's arm, and that isn't the sort of thing these Orioles ought to do. We can also probably eliminate the Marlins. They've thrown money around, but they've done so aggressively, and if they wanted Fielder, one suspects they would've made a push by now. What's left, if there's much left, might be saved for Yoenis Cespedes.
I want to say we can eliminate the Nationals as well, given their insistence that they prefer starting pitching. It could be a bluff, but they do have an expensive Adam LaRoche, and a less expensive and productive Michael Morse.
That would leave us with the Blue Jays, Cubs, Mariners and Rangers. Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos has denied that he'll spend big in free agency while the team is still developing, and the organization reportedly has a six-year limit on contracts. Cubs president Theo Epstein has said that he's focused on smaller deals, and previous reports said that any offer from the Cubs would be shorter, with a higher average annual value. The Mariners don't have that much in the way of payroll flexibility, barring an increased budget. And the Rangers might not have that much money. They've denied significant interest in Fielder before, and seem more focused on trading for a starting pitcher.
I was hoping this exercise would serve to clear things up. It didn't really clear things up. All of the potential contenders for Fielder's services have good reasons for not being strong contenders for Fielder's services, and so we're left to wonder. Might Fielder settle for, say, an expensive five-year contract such that he can enter free agency again before he's too old?
The Rangers still seem like the best possibility, to me, despite everything. I think the financial hurdles they're facing would make it more difficult to pursue Yu Darvish than Fielder, and it's an obvious fit. But I've been programmed to trust Ken Rosenthal's sources, and Ken Rosenthal's sources say that, at least for now, the Rangers aren't really involved.
So we'll see. Fielder and Boras are not going to hold out too much longer. Fielder will sign this month. Because he has Boras, one's assumption is that Fielder will get something like the contract he's been seeking. But when you look at the suitors, I don't know, maybe not. This is a difficult market to figure out. I can't predict Fielder's contract, and I can't predict his destination.
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Cubs, 5yr/$140M
With an option or two.
He gets to stay in the NL, since players like Fielder (i.e., obvious DH’s) tend to avoid the AL so they don’t get stuck DH’ing. Even though they hurt their teams by playing in the field. Cubs also have a need, with the departure of Pena (from 1st base) and Ramirez (their only good hitter). Rebuild around Fielder and Castro.
He gets to make more money than Pujols for the next 5 years. And this way, his next contract only has to be 5 years, $110M in order to match Pujols’ total ($22M in 2017 will probably get you an above-average middle reliever…a righty though, not a lefty).
To hedge my bets, I’ll say that the Rangers are the only team that I can see outbidding the Cubs, despite your Rosenthal warning. But I still see the Cubs getting him, because I’m a good person and I don’t think that the Powers That Be would insert both Pujols AND Fielder into the rosters of my AL West rivals in the same offseason. I just simply don’t deserve that kind of punishment.
I’d like to see him on the Nationals (though I agree that it won’t happen). I’m just excited that one day, that team will be good. Like, statistically speaking, they have to be good someday, right? Not everyone can be the Pirates. They could have Fielder, Zimmerman, and Harper in the lineup in 2013, with Starsburg (and presumably 4 other guys) in the rotation. That would be a good start.
But yeah. Cubs.
by ahhall on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions
Way way way
too much money.
that’s nearly 30 mill per year.
I had him at 7 years $150 mill
If its fewer years we’re looking at 5/120 at best. no way he gets more than $25 per year.
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by iblum on Dec 13, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's probably too much money, but...
Remember that this is Boras we’re talking about. Ryan Howard got $25M/yr in his 30s; Prince is better and will be 28 next season. I figured you have to overpay a bit to get him on the shorter contract, so it’s just Howard’s extension plus a little extra. If you don’t want to pay for his likely bad-body-decline years, then you have to pay a premium for the peak years.
by ahhall on Dec 13, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
sounds about right, little high
Any shorter term deal would absolutely require that Prince become the highest paid 1b in the league, so say 26M per for a 5/130 deal that would probably have some opt out where Prince can go back on the market after 3-4 years if he wants…
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by tricer on Dec 13, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
It makes some sense
If Fielder can be convinced that a shorter contract now means an even bigger payday down the road — when he might be the age that Pujols is now — then I could see him doing this.
by chapman_123 on Dec 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions
If Fielder took a five-year deal now
… he’d be just a year older after that deal ends, than Pujols is now.
Put up five years like the last five and he could be in for a HUGE payday.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
He'll sign with...
St. Louis: five years, $115 million, possible sixth-year guaranteed or optional.
The AAV of $23 million will put him behind only Pujols and Howard among 1B (IIRC), and it would give the Cards a chance to tweak the Brewers, Cubs and Pujols all at once.
by GBSimons on Dec 13, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions
I should point out
… that Todd Helton turns 39 in 2012. The Rockies could use a replacement.
That said, I can’t see them spending that kind of $ on Fielder.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 6:14 PM EST reply actions
Plus the Rockies will be paying Helton until 2030 or some such ludicrous date.
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by Zach (maestro876) on Dec 13, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
MY
Where do we play him?
by napdaddy on Dec 13, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions
If you're talking about Michael Young:
there would be plenty of PA still available.
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by Snark on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m gonna guess the Cubs or Rangers; for 7/$160M.
by Phrozen on Dec 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST reply actions
This is my guess as well
Although I could see some team go crazy with an 8 year, $180-190 million deal.
by cookiedabookie on Dec 14, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
If he wants a WS ring
Sign a short deal with Texas, then hit the market again while he’s still young and one of the big $ teams needs a 1B bad again.
Fielder, Hamilton, Bletre, Cruz, Napoli, Kinsler… that’s 6 guys who could hit 30 homeruns just having an okay year.
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by Buttermaker on Dec 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it's his primary concern
Judging by the events in Milwaukee and his representation, I think he’s going after the money, and I don’t really blame him. He’s 27 and his value will never be higher.
by msgg139 on Dec 14, 2011 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you think he will sign this month?
by greymstreet on Dec 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST reply actions
I read something to that effect earlier today
I guess it’s not a guarantee
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Free agents usually like to have a job lined by Christmas.
by chapman_123 on Dec 13, 2011 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
I laughed at the Mets part :)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
by Pikachu on Dec 13, 2011 7:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
by J0SER on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Obvious post is obvious
Stick to comedy Sullivan
by Mariner_Drunkard on Dec 13, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions
This post is obvious comedy.
Stick with complaining about people who do bad things. Jeff do good things! Jeff write list!
by Bullpen Bully on Dec 13, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
dodgers comment is so good.. hahaha
by Monty Bell on Dec 14, 2011 12:48 AM EST reply actions
"Cubs GM Theo Epstein"
Poor Hoyer. What is he doing with the Cubs again?
by steel sox on Dec 14, 2011 2:15 AM EST reply actions
How do the Braves get
and Mets get laughed at. They have Ike Davis. Ike Davis is good.
by guyfish on Dec 14, 2011 6:47 AM EST reply actions
Doesn't matter who they have
This is why they get laughed at. Their fans, we pity. But the team, we laugh at.
by J0SER on Dec 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
How does this impact Fielder? Doesn’t Aramis play 3B? Or is it because the Brewers spent all their money on him?
by bloppy_ploppy on Dec 14, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions
I'm assuming they spent all of it
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by FelizCheez on Dec 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
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