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Searching For The Easiest GM To Poke Fun At

With Ed Wade gone, which general managers exist solely to amuse people who think about baseball too much?

Nov 28, 2011 - It wasn't too long ago that it was easy to make fun of all sorts of general managers around baseball. For example, this used to be a popular joke going around the internet:

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Cam Bonifay.

It would slay them every time. All around the league, there were GMs who built their rosters through some amalgamation of batting average, RBIs, and scouting reports they found on cocktail napkins in the garbage of the visiting team's hotel bar. Had to be. That was the only way to explain some of the moves the GMs would make, and some of the contracts they'd hand out.

But with the Astros' firing of Ed Wade over the weekend, we're confronted with a vanishing species in our baseball ecosystem: the GM who is a self-contained punchline. That's not to say that Wade -- or any general manager -- deserves to be an instant punchline. The GM role is varied enough to allow for strengths to overcome weaknesses, and GMs are more than the sum of their acquisitions during the Winter Meetings.

There's a reason why Omar Minaya was in-demand for front offices around the league despite having a checkered time with the Mets. It's likely that the GMs we love making fun of are pretty smart baseball people, but if you're the world's 31st-best architect of a baseball team, well, you're probably a lousy GM. And when I say that Ed Wade is a punchline, it's with all due respect, but the popular "Brandon Lyon walks into a bar"-joke has to end somehow.

There's been a flood of GM changes this offseason, and the remaining GMs can probably be classified in one of the following categories:

Highly regarded
Brian Cashman
Billy Beane
Alex Anthopolous
Jon Daniels
Dave Dombrowski
Andrew Friedman
Sandy Alderson
Frank Wren
Jed Hoyer
John Mozeliak
Doug Melvin
Ruben Amaro, Jr.

Respected … for now, at least:
Chris Antonetti
Jack Zduriencik
Josh Byrnes
Neal Huntington

Old school who might not be future Hall-of-Famers, but they aren't especially amusing either:
Terry Ryan
Dan O'Dowd
Walt Jocketty
Kevin Towers
Dan Duquette

Unknowns:
Jerry DiPoto
Ben Cherington
Mike Rizzo
New Astros GM

Listed as a GM for a team in Major League Baseball, but is actually a former mob informant under witness protection, so he would appreciate it if you didn't point him out
Michael Hill

No, seriously. Michael Hill is the GM of the Florida Marlins, and he has been since after the 2007 season. If you're reading this right now, this is probably a surprise to you, especially if you're Michael Hill, and you thought you were working in a Crate & Barrel this whole time.

And there will certainly be arguments about the classifications up there, but my point is that you don't giggle when you think about Walt Jocketty making a transaction. Ruben Amaro, Jr. might be a little loose with the mega-deals, but it's hard to know how much of that is Phillies ownership. Dan Duquette isn't exactly beloved in Boston, but you have to admit that his strategy of acquiring Pedro Martinez at every stop is probably one of the greatest gambits in GM history.

That leaves four GMs who aren't on that list. Two of them, Brian Sabean and Kenny Williams, have won a World Series with the teams they built. Sure, you can make veteranophilia jokes about Sabean all day long, but he's not listening, mostly because that big ol' ring on his finger has a Green Lantern thing going on, and it has the power to repel nerd criticism. Williams can sure make some questionable moves -- Alex Rios and Juan Pierre, just to name two-thirds of an outfield -- but he has the same ring with the same powers.

We're down to two now. Dayton Moore has a history of bizarre moves at the major-league level for a team that couldn't possibly contend, but he's also responsible for the burgeoning young talent that could make the Royals relevant again. He's still okay to make fun of, especially if you double down with a Jeff Francoeur reference -- those two are the airplane peanuts and shopping-cart wheel combo of hack baseball comedians. But Francoeur is still young enough to be a bit of an unknown (no, really!), and he was pretty good last year. And if an Alex Gordon/Eric Hosmer/Mike Moustakas/Billy Butler middle of the order starts mowing through the AL Central, the Moore jokes will feel awfully dated.

Ned Colletti is basically the same GM as Sabean, except Colletti didn't have Cody Ross going nuts for him in either of the Dodgers' recent NLCS appearances. He probably should have gotten one of those.

We're down to four GMs who are pretty amusing, and two of them can flip you off with their ring finger. It's an ever-changing, post-Bill James world out there, and it's getting harder and harder for internet baseball nerds to conjure up overly smug, one-sentence dismissals of GMs based on the limited evidence available. It's not impossible -- us internet baseball nerds are resourceful, petty things -- but it's tougher. We'll miss Ed Wade, Jim Hendry, and Andy MacPhail. It's been a bad offseason for roster- and trade-related jokes.

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Probably should have posted a definitive answer

Goin’ with Colletti. I think the Royals are going to be good pretty soon, whereas James Loney is James Loney.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

But...

He did just give out an eight-year, $160 million contract based on a career year, so he has that going for him. There’s no way that deal makes Alfonso Soriano’s contract look good in a few years. No way at all…right?

by GBSimons on Nov 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

When Soriano got the 8-year deal, he was already 31 (at the start of the first year of it).

Kemp is 27.

Plus, Soriano suffered several serious leg injuries which pretty much took away all his speed and ability to even play middling outfield.

If Kemp stays healthy, I suspect he’s worth the deal.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 28, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know

The situations aren’t the same, and I think and hope the Kemp deal will work out better. But eight-year deals are inherently scary.

It’s interesting that this is the same length and money Manny Ramirez got from Boston, not that there’s a direct comparison.

And I’m a Cardinals fan waiting to see what happens with Pujols. That will be a scary contract no matter what. I wonder if your Cubs will pony up $300 million for him, Al.

by GBSimons on Nov 28, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Comparing Kemp's deal to Soriano's is laughable

It’s not any kind of a deal, but it keeps a great player who has the possibility of being elite again on the Dodgers for almost the entire next decade.

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by Ivdown on Nov 28, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

he wins

when he signs Aaron Rowand to a contract. And you know he’s gonna.

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by natteringnabob on Nov 28, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

James Loney is bad Loney. Over at TBLA, good Loney goes by Jim. We’re hoping 2012 is the coming out party for Jim Loney.

by G.Scott on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Jim Loney is a beast

He’s been on the Dodgers in 2006, 2007, and the last 2 months of 2011. Too bad he’s so injury prone :P

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by Ivdown on Nov 28, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's Okay

I know you’re disappointed that slam dunk Tony Reagins isn’t here to kick around anymore. It’s tough times for wholesale GM mockery this offseason.

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by Kernel on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

God, how did I miss Reagins

Vernon Wells! Mike Napoli! Vernon Wells!

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 28, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a comedy gold mine

Signed Torii Hunter at a Del Taco. Shows up late to the winter meetings. That whole thing with that Vernon Wells character is just the exclamation point on a series of Yogi Bear-esque mishaps.

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by Kernel on Nov 28, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

This Dodgers fan knows this isn’t even close. Colletti all the way.

Juan Uribe, 3 yrs, 21 million
Traded Carlos Santana
Jason Schmidt 3 yrs, 48 million
Traded Trayvon Robinson for a AAA backup catcher
Signed Juan Rivera, Rod Barajas, and Mark Ellis to ridiculous contracts
Juan Pierre 5 yrs 55 million

The only reason he got those NLCS appearances was because he lucked into Manny Ramirez at the right time and in the right place.

by truemontenegro on Nov 28, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Secret Agent Ned!

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 28, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Should add that Colletti signed Schmidt to that deal AFTER the results from Schmidt’s MRI showed that he had a partially torn rotator cuff. Combine this with his drop in avg fastball velocity the last couple months of his previous season with the Giants, and you get possibly the worst free agent signing in baseball history. This signing would be an automatic firing offense for many owners, but look who LA’s owner was.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 29, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

In his defense on Santana, there were a few Indian’s fans who were pissed at that trade. Grumbling about how they gave up Blake for some no name minor leaguer. It was very funny, you know on second thought…. Yea Colletti giving up Santana was stupid any way you look at it…

by Ska.t73 on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Removing Brian Sabean and Kenny Williams from consideration due to World Series victories is results based analysis.

Many of their individual moves are as laugh worthy as ever and they still deserve to be laughed at. They made a few good moves but the rest are still fair game.

by Droid Rage on Nov 28, 2011 1:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Oh, absolutely.

But it certainly takes some of the fun out of it. And it’s not like they totally Mr. Beaned their way into success.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d say it was more that Sabean Inspector Gadget’d his way with the drafting people as Penny.

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by jhiat00 on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Your list is missing Larry Lucchino

“Ben Cherington” is not a real person; he was hastily assembled from some old, buggy “Theo Epstein” prototypes lying around the office to try and hide Lucchino’s involvement.

by smk73 on Nov 28, 2011 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Alex Anthopolous
Billy Beane
Dan Duquette
Dan O’Dowd
Larry Lucchino

I bet winter meeting minutes read like a Superman comic.

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by neilrqm on Nov 28, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sabean and Colletti are the same.

It makes me so angry that Sabean has a WS Ring to validate all his bad decisions. Even before that WS, the Colletti/Sabean philosophy looked great because the Dodgers made it to the NLCS two years in a row (partly because Colletti did pull off one brilliant trade for which I will forever be grateful). Colletti was praised for the team’s successes (in articles I don’t read, by people I don’t respect). And that dang Giants World Series win just makes Sabean look like he knows what he’s doing. It probably had the same effect on Colletti, who sees his philosophy validated in the Giants win. These guys seem to have some smart folks around them, and nice player development systems, but most of their decisions leave me dumbfounded. I would say that Sabean’s worse than Colletti, but that damn ring says otherwise…

by Real Tom on Nov 28, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Zduriencik

Is he still respected? I was under the impression he’d kind of had a rough time of it in Seattle.

by chapman_123 on Nov 28, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions  

Hard to slot it.

Sabermetrically savvy, so still respected by knowledgeable Mariners fans, but, boy, has he had a rough couple of years.

by Grant Brisbee on Nov 28, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Too funny

GMs that are “sabermetrically savvy” but put up awful records are respected by “knowledgable fans”? The guys who win the World Series are bordering on “jokes”.

I get the idea that ones methods need to be sound. But at the end of the day(or game), results count.

If the guy you respect isn’t getting any results, and the guy you don’t respect is … what is that telling you?

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by Singledigit on Nov 28, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

As an M's fan and LL follower I don't speak for the whole Seattle baseball community but

my impression is that people really like Jack Z’s approach. He’s getting all the Bavasi garbage out of here in an effort to build a team designed around a certain style of play that plays well to the ballpark and, well, the team is really young. The only trade he’s made that I didn’t love was the Fister trade and that might work out. We got a high-upside lefty starter and a power utility outfielder out of it. All in all, I think it’s way too early to evaluate Jack Z. He can’t turn that ship around on a dime, especially with guys getting sick, hurt, or old or just flopping miserably (Guti, Smoak, Ichiro (debateable) Figgins, respectively.)

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by tsunamijesus on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The Ms certainly look like they are going in the right direction. The few times I saw them play my Indians this year, they looked good. Their offense was a joke early but it started coming around there at the end. Jack Z looks like he is puting together a pretty good team.

by Ska.t73 on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Trayvon and Seager going nuts on your OF corners probably had a lot to do with that impression

But I was really encouraged by seeing that. My courage was at an all time high. GMZ may be on to something, here. Waiting with bated breath

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by tsunamijesus on Nov 29, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Dayton Moore

Dayton Moore signed Jason Kendall to a 2 year contract. Doesn’t he automatically win the GM hilarity contest?

by Ryan Matthew Riddell on Nov 28, 2011 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

Grant didn’t comment on Colletti’s ridiculous mustache or his hilariously stupid rug. They make him look like a buffoon. His body of work plus buffoonish appearance rank him #1 in my book. I can’t wait for the new owner to kick him to the curb.

by The Dude Abides on Nov 29, 2011 1:12 AM EST reply actions  

Michael Hill?

What the hell?

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 29, 2011 4:27 AM EST reply actions  

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